Steal2B
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Not that there is anything wrong with a 2531 if someone has to hump some batteries in the mud.
US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
- Thread starter TEOTWAWKI inc.
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The Chinese absolutely want this to go on so we use up our munitions. Can't export things to Taiwan if we're using them in the middle east.Looks like the IRGC just attacked a US base in Kuwait with drones
Iran attacks US base in Kuwait, vessel hit by projectile near Strait of Hormuz
The United Kingdom Maritime and Trade Operations (UKMTO) center said in a post on X/Twitter that a cargo vessel had been hit by an unknown projectile off the coast of Oman. Iran's Islamic Revolutionar...www.yahoo.com
So whatever was going on with the newest "peace talks" are likely to be up in smoke.
I absolutely predict this conflict to continue for the foreseeable future because both sides have positioned themselves to where they cant seek a peace deal because they will lose face. They are both caught in an escalation loop cycle where they really can't get out of it under the existing dynamic without drastic changes. Trump maybe forced to "go big" but that may also have the counter effect and just reenforce irans resolve to see it through.
China is probably egging Iran on to manipulate them to keep this going longer so we further deplete our missile stockpiles.
I made fun of Russia for invading Ukraine without really having a plan to end it, yet here we are clearly not learning from their blunder. The bigger problem is we are trying to supply a conflict on the other side of the world not at our front door so logistically it's significantly harder and more expensive to keep this up. Also, if we just pull out and leave, we can, but we lose legitimacy in the gulf oil countries and it's almost a guarantee with a short amount of time the USD would be replaced as the global reserve petro dollar which would have disasterous effects on our economy.
Trump's problem is he is facing an enemy just as ruthless and fanatical as Nazi Germany and imperial japan. They do not care about their own civilian casualties. They can only be defeated either by taking over their country (Germany) or nuking them (japan). We aren't going to do either and they know it. If we pause for a while they will purposely restart hostilities so we have to use up our declining stocks of munitions. Unfortunately trump has discovered too late that it is much easier to start a conflict than end it.
100%
I think Israel really convinced Trump this was going to be simple and quick, low risk.
You can't just kick a beehive, kill their leaders, kill like 10,000 of their military troops (the real casualty count very well might be much higher than that as we've destroyed a lot). and some civilians and then humiliate and embarrass them and then say "welp, we're done, we want to go home, we want peace now, let's make a deal". That's not going to work.
The IRGC knows they have more leverage and support internally today for their regime than they did before the conflict started. They were hanging on by a thread a month before the conflict. Now they are as strong and popular as they have been in years. They are exerting their strategic leverage with the strait and threatening to make their neighbors desert countries uninhabitable by destroying their drinking water and power plants.
Its a mess.
Then the sand people need to do something to protect their interests.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Its inevitable. Just a question of time.
to late, We dont have the antimissle anti aircraft missiles left to engauge the Chinese , even if we did it would be only be for a short period of time
If we dont get this war eneded right away we are going to lose our military dominance in the region , Quttar, Kuwait, Saudi, allow us to have military air land and naval bases in thier countries in order to protect those countries, but if we cant even defend our own bases or thier oil wells or shipping ect, We are going to lose our positions in the mideast.
The problem is.... In the complicated mess of globalization, they have quietly outsourced their security and defense to the US, in exchange for using the USD as the global reserve currency to trade oil in.
We have made that trade to allow for essentially unlimited money printing (so long as we are the global reserve petro currency) it's a huge advantage over our adversaries that they don't have.
We just have to be the police man and keep order with our muscle on their behalf and as a result we reap the benefits of access to oil and the incredible benefit of the US petro dollar which people don't realize how much we rely on it to support our standards of living and economy.
Walking away from this mess in the middle east would lead to completely disasterous economic chaos we are not prepared for.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeeeeees, lest cut off our collective nose to spite our collective face. Tick Tock chi-coms are calling, you can't refuse.
Robin
Robin
Cooper was an Intelligence officer years prior. Swat came and murdered him.
The legendary William Cooper in 1992:
“Israel was created as a tool to spark the Battle of Armageddon via nuclear war, forcing global surrender of sovereignty for a one-world government.”
Cooper also said: "Cops will come in the middle of the night & shoot me dead on my doorstep”
He was shot dead by Police not long after in 2001 on his doorstep.
Many of his predictions were spot on.
911, Iraq, Fall of the Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain, Waco Siege, and so much more.
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The legendary William Cooper in 1992:
“Israel was created as a tool to spark the Battle of Armageddon via nuclear war, forcing global surrender of sovereignty for a one-world government.”
Cooper also said: "Cops will come in the middle of the night & shoot me dead on my doorstep”
He was shot dead by Police not long after in 2001 on his doorstep.
Many of his predictions were spot on.
911, Iraq, Fall of the Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain, Waco Siege, and so much more.
View attachment DiA1KljH-5bKksE3.mp4
Steal2B
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Yes the police tend to shoot people that first shoot an officer in the head.
Steal2B
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FIFY
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
The war over yet?
2 weeks
Ever wondered exactly what he was saying?
This is why you were never told.
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This is why you were never told.
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Intelligence Report – Spring 2002, Issue 105
2002 – Spring – The Year in Hate 2001To many, William Cooper was merely a laughably paranoid, far-right conspiracy theorist. In his famous 1991 book, Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper wrote that President Kennedy was assassinated to prevent the exposure of a secret pact with space aliens.
On his shortwave radio show, Cooper argued that the U.S. government had carried out the Oklahoma City bombing and that it was using remote mind-control devices to establish a socialistic “New World Order.”
As it turned out, Cooper, a one-time member of the so-called Second Continental Army of the Republic, was far more dangerous than your garden-variety conspiracy fabulist.
Before law enforcement officers served a warrant for his arrest on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, Cooper E-mailed pals that “I will … try to kill as many as I can before they kill me.”
He almost succeeded. After shooting a sheriff’s deputy twice in the head, Cooper was killed by police on Nov. 6. The deputy is expected to survive.
The firefight was a disastrous ending to a standoff that had begun in 1998 when federal authorities charged Cooper with tax evasion and bank fraud. Hoping to avoid a violent showdown, agents deferred serving the arrest warrant for over three years.
Then, last July, a local warrant was issued for Cooper’s arrest because he allegedly had left his hilltop property to threaten a passerby with a gun.
In the 17-officer operation in November, two sheriff’s deputies disguised as pickup-driving civilians tried to lure Cooper away from his house and his large stock of weapons. Cooper surprised them by driving, not walking, to come scare them off.
When the officers identified themselves, Cooper drove home and then almost killed an officer when he swerved around a roadblock erected in front of his house. He shot the other deputy as he ran from his truck to the house.
William Cooper was killed by multiple shots before he made it inside. An acquaintance of Cooper’s said that the officers were lucky to get him when they did, because Cooper kept a semi-automatic AK-47 by the front door.
Intelligence Report – Spring 2002, Issue 105
2002 – Spring – The Year in Hate 2001
To many, William Cooper was merely a laughably paranoid, far-right conspiracy theorist. In his famous 1991 book, Behold a Pale Horse, Cooper wrote that President Kennedy was assassinated to prevent the exposure of a secret pact with space aliens.
On his shortwave radio show, Cooper argued that the U.S. government had carried out the Oklahoma City bombing and that it was using remote mind-control devices to establish a socialistic “New World Order.”
As it turned out, Cooper, a one-time member of the so-called Second Continental Army of the Republic, was far more dangerous than your garden-variety conspiracy fabulist.
Before law enforcement officers served a warrant for his arrest on charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, Cooper E-mailed pals that “I will … try to kill as many as I can before they kill me.”
He almost succeeded. After shooting a sheriff’s deputy twice in the head, Cooper was killed by police on Nov. 6. The deputy is expected to survive.
The firefight was a disastrous ending to a standoff that had begun in 1998 when federal authorities charged Cooper with tax evasion and bank fraud. Hoping to avoid a violent showdown, agents deferred serving the arrest warrant for over three years.
Then, last July, a local warrant was issued for Cooper’s arrest because he allegedly had left his hilltop property to threaten a passerby with a gun.
In the 17-officer operation in November, two sheriff’s deputies disguised as pickup-driving civilians tried to lure Cooper away from his house and his large stock of weapons. Cooper surprised them by driving, not walking, to come scare them off.
When the officers identified themselves, Cooper drove home and then almost killed an officer when he swerved around a roadblock erected in front of his house. He shot the other deputy as he ran from his truck to the house.
William Cooper was killed by multiple shots before he made it inside. An acquaintance of Cooper’s said that the officers were lucky to get him when they did, because Cooper kept a semi-automatic AK-47 by the front door.
^^^^ Deep State B.S! They Murdered him. He was telling truth and had to be silenced. His book is a fantastic read.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Looks like Iran is calling Trump’s bluff. They’re not rolling over. The list of demands to open the Strait and the return of frozen assets is pretty telling. The American military’s over-use of standoff weapons leading to near depletion is a big boost for Iran’s resolve. Things are still just barely getting under way. Stay tuned! More forever wars!
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Steal2B
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Historical Note
To minimize civilian losses, the site of the munitions factory used for the attack on Pearl Harbor was selected where natural shielding saved 80% of the Nagasaki city population.
I doubt IRGC assholes or heretic Mullahs would give a shit about civilians.
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holdover
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You mean like Gaza?
Steal2B
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A utricle to watermelon comparison. There is likewise no comparison between Gaza conflict losses and the scale of a modern Nuclear weapon discharged over a populous city by Iranian leadership.
BTW, this is a US and Iran conflict thread.
holdover
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Facts are stubborn things.
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Yes, like Hamas doesn't care about the civilians in Gaza
spat
.950 JDJ
Yea, Hamas doesn't care about civilians any more than any other part of the Iranian military.
spat
.950 JDJ
Wonder what would happen if they wanted to build a bunker buster meant to be delivered by a bomber variant of Musk's Starship.
How deep do you need to bury something to protect it from a 100 ton depleted uranium dart dropping in at Mach 25 ?
Bonus is it's a much shorter flight than the B2's.
45 mins anywhere on the planet or your money back.
How deep do you need to bury something to protect it from a 100 ton depleted uranium dart dropping in at Mach 25 ?
Bonus is it's a much shorter flight than the B2's.
45 mins anywhere on the planet or your money back.
Steal2B
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If it comes to it, it's easier and cheaper to just use one of the new light B61-13 gravity bunker busters with a 360 kiloton detonation of ground earth coupling after penetration (we have these in new inventory as a deterrent to China and any power thinking reinforced bunkers are a safe haven). We sped up production, completed production ahead of schedule and these have recently been placed in the ready to go inventory. Iran has no safe haven if the US uses these.
We refer to this as a bunker buster even though it is not conventional and it is only deployed at the order of the Commander in Chief.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, pick your poison, use nukes or use weapons from space.
Either way a line is getting crossed.
Although the outer space treaty only actually bans "weapons of mass destruction" in space, so a kinetic energy penetrator might not violate it.