When Lesser Force Fails: Who Gets a Last Resort in Times Square? What we learned yesterday

[PeteT]

Yesterday in Times Square, NYPD officers reportedly used commands, time, and a Taser before using firearms against a woman advancing with two knives. Their professionalism raises a fair question:

If even trained officers with backup and less-lethal options may ultimately require a firearm against that threat, why does New York generally make possession by a vetted carry licensee who completed the state’s required training a felony there—where civilians encounter the danger first?

This does not claim an armed bystander would have succeeded. It asks whether the policy is logically consistent.

Read the sourced analysis, tell us where you agree or disagree, and share it with someone who sees the issue differently:

Times Square Stabbing Exposed: Armed Police, Disarmed Public

 

[Cavalry]

If even trained officers with backup and less-lethal options may ultimately require a firearm against that threat, why does New York generally make possession by a vetted carry licensee who completed the state’s required training a felony there—where civilians encounter the danger first?

Do you want to talk about justifible force/Article 35.XX or that NYC is a draconian shithole?

You state NY but give a NYC example, These are vastly different places and the laws for each are equally different. Are we talking about NYC or NYS?

 

[livingston]

Yesterday in Times Square, NYPD officers reportedly used commands, time, and a Taser before using firearms against a woman advancing with two knives. Their professionalism raises a fair question:

If even trained officers with backup and less-lethal options may ultimately require a firearm against that threat, why does New York generally make possession by a vetted carry licensee who completed the state’s required training a felony there—where civilians encounter the danger first?

This does not claim an armed bystander would have succeeded. It asks whether the policy is logically consistent.

Read the sourced analysis, tell us where you agree or disagree, and share it with someone who sees the issue differently:

Times Square Stabbing Exposed: Armed Police, Disarmed Public

Suspect and female victim dead after Times Square stabbing spree​

 

[PeteT]

Do you want to talk about justifible force/Article 35.XX or that NYC is a draconian shithole?

You state NY but give a NYC example, These are vastly different places and the laws for each are equally different. Are we talking about NYC or NYS?

Justification doesn't matter when NY has such insanity around sensitive and restricted locations. No such thing as self-defense with a firearm in a sensitive place, even though these are the places where we need to be armed the most.

 

[Cooolone]

Justification doesn't matter when NY has such insanity around sensitive and restricted locations. No such thing as self-defense with a firearm in a sensitive place, even though these are the places where we need to be armed the most.

Did you come to just argue? You ask a question, get an answer then even take the question down a rabbit hole... Newbie's... Gosh!

For your information "Justifiable Defense" is entirely relevant and is the governing law. You should learn Art.35, Art.400 and maybe a few others if you're going to try and debate answers given by seasoned members. It might just help you out in the long run.

For the matter, or question at hand, NYC has a clear and definable malfeasance towards anyone exercising their 2A Rights. But Govt doesn't get to define a Right, the Constitution only recognizes it! YOU have life choices to make, be compliant, or do what you gotta do to protect yourself at all times. Here, in this example, the use of deadly force is entirely justifiable by Art.35. But then you'd have to add in the malfeasance of the DA and the fact they'll ask you why you were there to begin with, why you didn't remove yourself from the situation, etc.,etc.,etc. And oh, the SCOTUS has pretty much evaporated that nonsense "sensitive" places bullshit too... Times Square is one of the most PUBLIC places on the planet. Anyways...

Judged by 12 or carried by 6! It's a choice!

And also, it would be hard for anyone to show convictions for carrying outside their jurisdiction in NY, error, NYC. There's no case history there (or show me). So don't say you cannot defend yourself.

Times Square is still the shit hole it was decades ago, it just has new lipstick applied! If you're going there, what would YOU DO to prepare yourself? Share with us...

And yes, good advice above as well, that NYC is not a representation of the State as a whole...

Bottom line is Fuck NY and all it's madness!

 

[Tisto]

First, the term liberal logic is an oxymoron. Liberalism makes NO sense logically. It never has, and it never needed to. Liberals do not think, they feel. Their policies do not need to make any logical sense, nor do they need to produce the promised results. They need only to make people feel good about having "done something" to solve the problem. New York is run, top to bottom by liberals, and as such, the policies and laws of this State reflect that.

 

[dwa12479]

Reading a lot of takes on this on Twitter... it shocks me how ignorant some people are about force on force to defend oneself.

 

[fresch]

I'm just surprised a 9mm had the capability to down the beast.

 

[CaseHardened]

I realize not everyone speaks Spanish is an Illegal ... but ...

 

[CaseHardened]

I hear the gears spinning among the DSA as to how they plan to send the Officer who shot to Prison.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I'm just surprised a 9mm had the capability to down the beast.

Do we know what caliber was actually fired? I thought the NYPD used either 10mm, or .40?

Not shown yet where that NYPD officer hit her 3 times from less than 10’ away, but that was certainly a big enough center mass that he was unlikely to miss.

Her quick, mini, sort of prancing footstep routine advancing toward the officers while whirling both knives did not work out too well for her. It was weird to see.

Saw an unedited / blocked video on my FB feed of the incident. You can see the black officer to the left reholstering after 3 shots were heard, and she fell forward.

 

[Brawny71]

She was tazed TWICE. Watch the video close and you’ll see one still connected to her.