spat
.950 JDJ
It's not about the $21
You think the counties that mandate inspection of your gun safe are OK too ?
I mean, nobody wants guns to be easily stolen, right ?
Buying Gun Parts in NYS Puts you on a List
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You think the counties that mandate inspection of your gun safe are OK too ?
I mean, nobody wants guns to be easily stolen, right ?
This is a strawman argument. I guess the government shouldn't be checking immigration status of individuals just minding their own business either
Just one more reason to be disgusted at New Yorkistan.
Here in SC, there are no vehicle inspections whatsoever. And NO,- It is a very rare occasion when I see some run down ass vehicle on the road here.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
well, back to New York.
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
They shouldn't.
They should be rounding up *identified illegals*, not randomly stopping people to check them.
That would be the equivalent of cops being allowed to pull you over to do their own roadside vehicle inspection because your car "looked run down"
spat
.950 JDJ
I understand your point.
I still think it's wrong.
I get that you see a lot of sketchy cars.
But the fact remains, plenty of other states are just fine without the state mandating inspections.
We *don't* have tons of accidents caused by poorly maintained cars. It just doesn't happen the way you claim it will.
And even in NY, the people who will drive rolling death traps aren't even slightly dissuaded by the inspection requirements. They just drive them anyway and risk the tickets.
It's exactly the same way the onerous NY pistol permit requirements don't keep guns out of rhe hands of the bad guys.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Not only are car inspections mandated in NY and most other states, but they make YOU pay for it. That's my beef. As others have pointed out, it also doesn't stop people from riding dirty or make accidents more likely. It's backed by empirical AND quantitative evidence from states with no inspection requirements.
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ummmm... ex-NYS Motor Vehicle Inspector here, and what we have to go through is entirely too draconian.
The tiniest infraction, such as a crack in the windshield or a small hole in the floor, is an automatic fail costing people hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars. Most people cannot absorb this kind of sudden expense, nor do they have the money for "backup" cars in case one is taken off the road.
Add in the fact that NY loves to spread brine and salt all over the roads, which destroy cars faster than jumbo james would an eight-course meal, can financially ruin a family.
Vehicles which would otherwise be reliable means of transportation are grounded, while families are subject to crippling repair bills, or worse, the vehicle ends up scrapped because they can't afford to fix what the State demands and the family then has to scramble to find ways to get to work and the grocery store.
Not legally.
But this also proves Spat's point. Only the law-abiding get jammed up because of this. Criminals will continue what they were doing while laughing at the State.
Really? How much stricter should the tire requirements be? Do you subscribe to the same ridiculousness that CA just passed? That tires MUST be OEM? If that were the case we would never have been able to swap the useless 3-season tires that came on the wife's car for something that actually allows for traction in winter. Jeep drivers would never be able to put bigger and more aggressive tires on their Jeeps, which actually HELP with road traction as well as offroad. Pickup drivers would not be able to swap to E-rated tires to handle increased payload.
Then you have to add in all the ridiculous electronics that cars require now. The legal impediments that prevent people from putting better engines in their vehicles, etc.
It's just a nanny-state game where our overlords can keep telling us what we have to do.
Really dude? Snow is a thing. How many times I've seen vehicles stuck even with all wheel drive then low and behold they have tires on that have no business being on the road in the winter. So CA rules? No of course not, but some tread would certainly be helpful. So the 2/32" reg is simply not adequate. Salt corrosion is yet another reason that vehicles here need to be checked on a semi regular basis. A hole in the floor? The reg is rot through a structural component near a suspension/steering mounting point. It is cute how you used the ummm.. though. Listen I'm not all about the government getting in peoples business. The simple fact is that when your decisions or lack of ability/knowledge (not you, an average driver without mechanical ability) affect other people that's when the damn government should be acting. I think you are looking at this from someone having mechanical ability and some damn common sense. If an NYS inspection finds a loose steering component on a minivan with 4 child seats in it then I say good. I'm happy that we were able to catch that and fix it. NHTSA reports over 44k vehicle accidents caused by equipment failure resulting in over 100k serious injuries and that's obviously just accidents that were investigated. If it's just property damage, I'm sure those aren't even investigated.
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gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Not to make this thread about car inspections but... I'll just say this about standards. My grandmother's car had rot in the frame to the point where PA would not pass it for inspection. My uncle took it off her hands, registered it in NY and passed inspection no problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Vehicle mechanics have the deserved reputation of being soooooo honest. Tell us more about trusting a mechanic, especially those customers who are not mechanically inclined. We’re listening…
spat
.950 JDJ
So, why aren't all the roads in the states with no inspection requirements littered with the carnage you say will happen ?
Do you have any actual evidence that our roads will be unsafe, or is this just an article of faith for you ?
Awwww. Did you have a bad experience? Well I guess everyone is out there to rip people off.
I think unfortunately that ship has sailed. I'm sorry if I touched a nerve with people. It has officially gone off the rails
Nebowictz
9mm
To re-rail this thread
I think it is a deeply flawed system where it is cheaper, easier, and faster for a person with ill intent is able to make their own pistol compared to a person who tries to go thru the legal method to get a pistol to defend themselves.
And as tech increases and as NY increases its BS, the disparity between those will widen.
I think it is a deeply flawed system where it is cheaper, easier, and faster for a person with ill intent is able to make their own pistol compared to a person who tries to go thru the legal method to get a pistol to defend themselves.
And as tech increases and as NY increases its BS, the disparity between those will widen.
I don’t agree with your assertion that “it is cheaper, easier, and faster…”
Personally, I don’t see that most people will want to go through all of the effort to make their own homemade firearms,- particularly those with ill intent.
Why? Because of the time, effort and costs to do it. First, you need to be mechanically inclined. And have a desire to do it. Buy a 3D printer and supplies. Or a CNC mill. Needed unfinished frames. And all of the correct internal parts. Figure out how to assemble them properly and in the correct sequence. Buy a sight installation tool. Spend hours researching on the internet.
Add up all of the costs, and you will discover that you could buy a brand new OEM handgun for a hell of a lot less.
Sure, some bad guys will do that. But it would have been a lot easier and faster to steal one. Or buy one on the black market. And that’s exactly what a hell of a lot of them do instead.
So, will some guys do all that stuff and build their own? Sure, a few will. Guys who enjoy technical projects and have enough cash around to tinker. Engineering and technically minded types. Who build something for personal satisfaction. But they are not the guys you need worry about going out and shooting up people around town.
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Nebowictz
9mm
I guess it depends on the person for the “easier” portion, but it definitely is faster and cheaper.
I waited 3 1/2 years before I could even apply for a permit and spent close to $500 getting just the permit let alone a gun.
Making one would have been far easier, cheaper, and faster.
When you’ve actually built your own PMF, and kept track of everything, PM me. And even then, building an unserialized PMF is still illegal in New Yorkistan last time I checked.
As to the 3.5 year BS to get a permit (presumably in New Yorkistan?), I hear you. When I got my NYS CCW, they told me it would take 2 years. I told them that they had 6 months under NYS law,- and I stayed on their asses every month. That earned me a place on their shitlist,- but I got my Unrestricted CCW in 8 months,- not 2 years. Others experiences will likely vary.
That is why I was never interested in 80% AR lowers when I could buy ready to go for as little as $30. each and the only "list" would be the 4473 at the Dealer that Sold them. (of course they could be traced from Manufacturer to end FFL, but that's only if a Crime has been committed or investigated) as far as "Parts" when I order an Upper from Bear Creek or damn near anyone else, there's a digital record of my purchases and possibly one from some of the bulk parts vendors I've ordered from, but there are so many people selling so very much AR-15 stuff that it's going to be damn hard to find out what you got and where it came from (presuming there's reasonable suspicion of a Crime)
I get the idea of making your own if for what ever reason you desire including the gubberment no knowing your business, The biggest problem (I suspect) with DIY Handguns was NY's draconian handgun law and the demand by the State to KNOW what Pistols you have before you get them. (a Law unlike any anywhere in the US) but I digress.
Criminal I am not, but just like those illegally obtaining illegal guns to use illegally, if I really want a Gun, I'm going to get one and short of incarceration you're not going to stop me., and if this back-woods redneck can do it, any one can.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
The regulation is that metal to metal is what will fail. There can be a piece of papers width of daylight between the pad tab and rotor and it passes.
The emission portion is ridiculous. We waste insane amounts of time driving cars to run the monitors.
The most insane regulation though is you're supposed to scrape an overdue sticker off BEFORE the inspection. So then wheb theres a failure item youre holding the customer hostage to repair whatever it is at the behest of NYS. Eff that, its bullshit.
Having inspections here doesnt somehow make our roads measurably safer. Especially considering cars from any other state can drive here.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
The equivalent to this would be that cops can stop you for any reason they like and search you. Which was declared unconstitutional.
A better analogy to NYSI would be NY based foreign nationals would have to go annually down to the courthouse to present their immigration paperwork.