US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

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fresch said:
Don't you hate it when a turd just keeps hanging? Then when you think it is going down it just pops up again.
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The best way to proceed is to wipe it out and get back to doing things that matter.
Somehow gas pricing has become the measure of freedom and all things Trump to some here lately.
Stop effing around DJT and finish the job!
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If you wanted to send a message, go in get it done get out.
Not like west and Israel didn't know where everyone was.
In, off with the leaders, move down the line till it is safe to help the populous take over.
Back to how politicians do things any money in the deal should go to aid the people not any leaders.
But, we know how this works and the politicians will drag it out to make money off it; again.
 
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There's only one correct answer when it comes to dealing with the Iranian leadership.
At this point this stuff isn't exactly rocket science, duh.

Either President Trump isn't listening to his advisers, or he needs new advisers.
 
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Robin said:
The best way to proceed is to wipe it out and get back to doing things that matter.
Somehow gas pricing has become the measure of freedom and all things Trump to some here lately.
Stop effing around DJT and finish the job!
Robin
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Maybe if he hadn’t promised to get gas under $2/gallon on the campaign trail (Aug, ‘24) people wouldn’t be upset with him, :beer:
 
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The Iranian leadership is calling President Trump's bluff. He's going to blink and then fold and come home with all our military equipment with their tails between their legs so to speak. When what he should be doing is ordering the military to bomb bridges and power plants daily.

I am greatly disappointed with our President. Fuck the let's make a deal fucking bullshit.
Fuck that, bombs and missiles are the correct answer. Any fair-minded individual knows that.

This is the sort of shit that makes me consider jumping off the Trump train. Enough is enough.
I've had enough of the "art of the deal" aspect, that bullshit gets really old after a while.
Especially in this circumstance.
 
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Bigfoot said:
The Iranian leadership is calling President Trump's bluff. He's going to blink and then fold and come home with all our fancy military equipment with their tails between their legs. When what we should be doing is bombing bridges and power plants daily.

I am greatly disappointed with our President. Fuck the let's make a deal fucking bullshit.
Fuck that, bombs and missiles are the correct answer. Any fair-minded individual knows that.

This is the sort of shit that makes me consider jumping off the Trump train. Enough is enough.
I've had enough of the "art of the deal" aspect, that bullshit gets really old after a while.
Especially in this circumstance.
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Now Israel bombed Lebanon and the straight is closed again. Good feeling gone now.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
the straight is closed again.
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Things may change (if the IRGC can 1.- find a boat that's left after the previously kept secret covert destruction of IRGC Boats and 2.- find a kamikaze crew who are eager to meet afterlife virgins) but right now the Strait is open.

It's not closed but the IRGC is claiming they just closed it and warned ships to remain at anchor. So far it's idle threats and there are no reports of any Iranian gunboats shutting down traffic.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmail Baghaei after the IRGC annoncement said that the Strait is open in accordance with the MOU, shipping can safely pass and a delegation of Iranian officials will travel to Switzerland today for US-Iran technical talks that are set to begin on Sunday.

From what I heard (coming from an American crew member who just passed the Strait today) there is a heavy US presence and merchant ships have pulled anchor and passed through the Strait.

CENTCOM was boasting about 55 ships passing.

This was not a source for me (nor was the bullshit in the NYT) but this was just updated for public consumption.

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If the motivating factor behind the "memorandum" was the desire to keep gas prices low going into the midterms then the trump administration is in trouble. Why would iran go along with this? They will do everything they can to cause trouble. It's almost certain they will do something that guarantees retaliation by the US. Then oil goes up, gas prices go up and trump's polling goes down. I'd like to give trump the benefit of the doubt but I don't see the grand strategy here.
 
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Steal2B said:
Things may change (if the IRGC can 1.- find a boat that's left after the previously kept secret covert destruction of IRGC Boats and 2.- find a kamikaze crew who are eager to meet afterlife virgins) but right now the Strait is open.

It's not closed but the IRGC is claiming they just closed it and warned ships to remain at anchor. So far it's idle threats and there are no reports of any Iranian gunboats shutting down traffic.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmail Baghaei after the IRGC annoncement said that the Strait is open in accordance with the MOU, shipping can safely pass and a delegation of Iranian officials will travel to Switzerland today for US-Iran technical talks that are set to begin on Sunday.

From what I heard (coming from an American crew member who just passed the Strait today) there is a heavy US presence and merchant ships have pulled anchor and passed through the Strait.

CENTCOM was boasting about 55 ships passing.

This was not a source for me (nor was the bullshit in the NYT) but this was just updated for public consumption.

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So who do you believe? It’s getting hard these days and harder by the day.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
So who do you believe? It’s getting hard these days and harder by the day.
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Yeah, I don't know of a consistently reliable media outlet. Too many people shape the truth or present their report in a manner to serve an interest. Some sources lie for their benefit.

In this case I believe the cell phone call from an American who just sailed through the Strait. Nothing to gain or lose by just telling it like it like he saw it.

In this case, it does seem his account aligns more closely with Centcom PR and the Vance interview than the IRGC release or potential clickbait from various media. (Go Figure ... lol)

I have seen reporting during this conflict from multiple media sources that I flat out knew was not true. (Not believe was untrue, I knew was untrue.) I believe some outlets were passing on unverified information to be an early broadcaster, some sources go outrageous for clicks but others broadcast or flagrantly broad ast inormation they knew was inaccurate or false for a selfish or strategic benefit.
 
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tirwin1 said:
If the motivating factor behind the "memorandum" was the desire to keep gas prices low going into the midterms then the trump administration is in trouble. Why would iran go along with this? They will do everything they can to cause trouble. It's almost certain they will do something that guarantees retaliation by the US. Then oil goes up, gas prices go up and trump's polling goes down. I'd like to give trump the benefit of the doubt but I don't see the grand strategy here.
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What made you think there was EVER a plan in place? Trump thought he was gonna roll some iron over there and Iran would beg for mercy. After 3 days, when that didn’t happen, he panicked, and it’s been chaos since. Maybe we need a new tariff or an Epstein file dump to freshen up TrumpTV. This reality show sucks donkey balls.
 
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Is Trump is finally recognizing reality and telling the insane Israeli leadership to go pound sand??

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