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How many were left in Berlin by May in '45 ?

When you have your children fighting and you're using hospitals as military outposts, you're not going to have any left.
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Give me a number. I can look it up, but I cant verify any sources , so Id like to get a number from you.

hospitals as out posts is total bullshit , and Ill tell you why, first off if me or my men are wounded where the fuck are we going to go to get help? if my kids or mother are wounded where are they going to go? Im not going to fuck my men or my kids or my family , that a real bullshit excuse. Hamas has faimily and friends in those hospitals, think they are going to allow anyone to shoot from them?

2ndly, theIDF has no problem leveling every hospital it can to prevent the wounded from recovering and fighting again, kids babys pregnat woman be dammed they have no problem . and all they have to say is some 12 year old shot at us so we jdamed the entire building .

whos to say they were shot at? you got proof? no . were not there.
 
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It sucks and is dangerous to live under an Iranian proxy terrorist group be it Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, or Shia militias.

Gaza Fatality Data will never untangled or accurate. Reseach studies confirmed 98% cited fatality figures discussed in media is provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH).

MoH figures are overstated, contain natural deaths, deaths from before the conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself. MoH data contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed.

The Henry Jackson report determined MoH does shit like

"including a 22-year-old registered as a four-year-old,

a 31-year-old registered as a one-year-old and

men with male first names registered as female – artificially increasing the numbers of women and children reported killed."

"The lists also include people who died before the war and people who died from attacks by Hamas rather than the Israel Defence Forces."

"They likely include around 5,000 natural deaths per year, including cancer patients who were listed by the Ministry for hospital treatment after they had already appeared on fatality lists. Hamas also claimed hundreds of fatalities from attacks which turned out to be misfired rocket launches by Gaza factions."

"It is indisputable that natural deaths which occur in times of peace would also occur during a war. "

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Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll from the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza - Henry Jackson Society

On 7 October 2023, Hamas militants launched a war on Israel. After Israel launched its military response, media outlets around the world began to report on death tolls in Gaza, … Continued
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Saudi Arabia launched retaliatory airstrikes on Houthi-controlled military sites, telecommunications facilities, and Kamaran Island in Yemen's Hodeidah governorate on July 24, 2026. The strikes followed Houthi ballistic missile and drone attacks that hit Saudi oil tankers in the Red Sea amid a declared Houthi naval blockade against the kingdom
 
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Steal2B said:
It sucks and is dangerous to live under an Iranian proxy terrorist group be it Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, or Shia militias.

Gaza Fatality Data will never untangled or accurate. Reseach studies confirmed 98% cited fatality figures discussed in media is provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH).

MoH figures are overstated, contain natural deaths, deaths from before the conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself. MoH data contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed.

The Henry Jackson report determined MoH does shit like

"including a 22-year-old registered as a four-year-old,

a 31-year-old registered as a one-year-old and

men with male first names registered as female – artificially increasing the numbers of women and children reported killed."

"The lists also include people who died before the war and people who died from attacks by Hamas rather than the Israel Defence Forces."

"They likely include around 5,000 natural deaths per year, including cancer patients who were listed by the Ministry for hospital treatment after they had already appeared on fatality lists. Hamas also claimed hundreds of fatalities from attacks which turned out to be misfired rocket launches by Gaza factions."

"It is indisputable that natural deaths which occur in times of peace would also occur during a war. "

henryjacksonsociety.org

Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll from the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza - Henry Jackson Society

On 7 October 2023, Hamas militants launched a war on Israel. After Israel launched its military response, media outlets around the world began to report on death tolls in Gaza, … Continued
henryjacksonsociety.org henryjacksonsociety.org
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what your saying is mostly correct, be it Gaza or Ukraine , Numbers are inflated and deflated as needed, Thats parr for the course in these situations

the Gaza Strip's Hamas-run Ministry of Health says Israel's retaliatory war has killed more than 67,000 Palestinians. Israel disputes that figure but provides no estimate of its own, and the United Nations considers the health ministry's count the most reliable information available, as Israel has barred foreign journalists from operating independently in Gaza.


One side says 67k people, the other side has no information , We have no way of verifying numbers , but considering the nature of the war, the weapons used, the density of the population , the inflation, deflation of casualties would you think its unreasonable to estimate half as a reasonable number ? say 33k people killed ? fair or no ?
 
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holdover said:
Give me a number. I can look it up, but I cant verify any sources , so Id like to get a number from you.

hospitals as out posts is total bullshit , and Ill tell you why, first off if me or my men are wounded where the fuck are we going to go to get help? if my kids or mother are wounded where are they going to go? Im not going to fuck my men or my kids or my family , that a real bullshit excuse. Hamas has faimily and friends in those hospitals, think they are going to allow anyone to shoot from them?

2ndly, theIDF has no problem leveling every hospital it can to prevent the wounded from recovering and fighting again, kids babys pregnat woman be dammed they have no problem . and all they have to say is some 12 year old shot at us so we jdamed the entire building .

whos to say they were shot at? you got proof? no . were not there.
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Identical letters dated 27 August 2014 from the Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General and the President of the Security Council

Sorry, source is biased
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Most of your sources trace back to Hamas.

And no, a CNN article that sources all of it's references from the Palestinian Ministry of Health is not an "independent source" LOL.
 
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holdover said:
Bullshit. I do the best I can to get an unbiased source,it's hard to do.but any source I use is going to catch flack,
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There are no reliable sources.

When "the best you can find" isn't trustworthy, that *doesn't* mean you should trust them just because they're the best you can find LoL.

But you're sure the ones that malign Isreal must be true and the ones that justify their behavior must be false.

It's like an article of faith for you guys that the Jews are the bad guys.
 
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spat said:
It's like an article of faith for you guys that the Jews are the bad guys.
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again with the victimhood bullshit. That shit is getting old. this goes for any country, not just isreal. because if the russians or chineese or anyone else tried to infiltarate the pentagon. or If we had to support France and send them billions Id feel the same exact way about them . Its America first . and if you and your zionist victim friends dont like it, to fucking bad . get the fuck out .

If being pro American means Im anti mexican , anti Muslim anti chineese, or anti semite , Ill wear that hat , and you can choke on it .My country, my people come first, just like the Israelis do it
 
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Such as Hamas? United Nations? Amnesty International? Tucker Carlson?

Give me a break
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Never qouted hamas asshole. Yes the United Nations Amnesty International Tucker Carlson. Not exactly anti semites .

what your source? the Jerusalem post?

Give me a break. another know nothing troll.
 
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again with the victimhood bullshit. That shit is getting old. this goes for any country, not just isreal. because if the russians or chineese or anyone else tried to infiltarate the pentagon. or If we had to support France and send them billions Id feel the same exact way about them . Its America first . and if you and your zionist victim friends dont like it, to fucking bad . get the fuck out .

If being pro American means Im anti mexican , anti Muslim anti chineese, or anti semite , Ill wear that hat , and you can choke on it .My country, my people come first, just like the Israelis do it
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You're not pro America anymore than the modern "a woman is anyone who says they're a woman" feminist is pro woman.

Much of what you believe is specifically cultivated by America's enemies (primarily the Chinese) to drive a wedge between us and our best allies.

You may believe you're pro America, but so did Woodrow Wilson
 
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Yes of course, somehow not supporting Isreal is anti american , kiss my ass.

they are blood sucking welfare parasites that buy off our politicians, then kick back to them in donations while robbing the middle class and your either to stupid to see it , or your OK with it .
 
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spat said:
Much of what you believe is specifically cultivated by America's enemies (primarily the Chinese) to drive a wedge between us and our best allies.
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where in the world do you come up with this garbage? I was hip to this shit 35 years ago. pre internet
 
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where in the world do you come up with this garbage? I was hip to this shit 35 years ago. pre internet
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You mean back when China was poisoning our academic and media institutions the old fashioned way ?

You don't think all the leftist bullshit is organic do you ?

This has been going on since long before the internet was a gleam in ARPA's eye.

Long march through the institutions - Wikipedia Long march through the institutions - Wikipedia
 
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spat said:
You mean back when China was poisoning our academic and media institutions the old fashioned way ?

You don't think all the leftist bullshit is organic do you ?

This has been going on since long before the internet was a gleam in ARPA's eye.

Long march through the institutions - Wikipedia Long march through the institutions - Wikipedia
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If you think my anger at Isreal is from Chinees influence, you need to see a doctor . Isreals deeds speak for themselves, they suck American tax payers money every year. its not a secret, its not propaganda its a fucking fact, If you think we are in a war with Iran right now because of Chineese influence I dont know what to tell you. your a liar or your stupid. and this conversation is over. I cant have any real discussion with with somebody who refuses to see the facts . and makes every excuse under the sun to defend any wrong doing . Isreal first , is a fucked up policy for America

and this conversation is a total waste of my time .
 
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holdover said:
Never qouted hamas asshole. Yes the United Nations Amnesty International Tucker Carlson. Not exactly anti semites .

what your source? the Jerusalem post?

Give me a break. another know nothing troll.
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Those sources get most of their statistics directly from Hamas. And by the way, why is the vulgar name-calling necessary?
 
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Funny, is there any time when the world was not at war?
The only difference between the U.S.A. and any other country is we don't go looking to capture new territory and we end up as " peace " keepers.
I think President Trump was influenced into thinking that the countries that surround the sand people would help defend their own interests along with the EU who needs the oil. Plus, stopping the crazy islamers from nuking everyone in a 10k circle. Once again we find out that no, no other countries can be depended on to do things in their own interest.
Problem now is to get out we MUST kill islame because they will keep coming back
; 250 yrs. Is a short time in the scale of humans.
 
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Those sources get most of their statistics directly from Hamas. And by the way, why is the vulgar name-calling necessary?
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to some extent, the information we get has to come from both Isreal and Hamas . they are the ones fighting afterall , So in that sense ultimately Yes, amnesty international is supposed to be neutral agency , but it seems they cant stay alive in the war zone very long . what they have reported does lean to Hamas , because they are lying or telling the truth.

Apologize for the name calling , you just jumped into a heated argument is all. but like I said before I have to stop with this ridiculous thread.
 
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