One post on my opinion??? I guess us people who are over the Trump show should just shut the fuck up and mind our business?…. Please Tell/show me how much I’ve bitched on here????
US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
- Thread starter TEOTWAWKI inc.
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I'm neither an unconditional trump humper or a member of the MAGA cult. Just someone who can see the qualitative difference between trump and his opponents. What I tire of is the people who focus on one issue and then declare Trump's entire presidency a failure. There is such a thing as looking at the big picture.
So yes, trump is a narcissist with an ego the size of this state. And his words and style turn off people who should be natural supporters based on the issues. He can be mean, petty and just plain unpresidential. He is far from perfect.
But he's a damn site better than any alternative in any party at the moment and I think the only politician who truly has this country's best interest at heart.
Yes, i concur. But I’m making my opinion based upon the big picture, not just one incident. It’s been accumulative for me. And the being Israel’s puppet is my fine line I think, piled on top of the cost of living, Epstein shit, no mass arrests, his forever changing views and opinions, and the fact he’s dishonest just like every other politician that he was supposed to be different from. I couldn’t care any less about his attitude or being a narcissist or petulant… until it affects his leadership and I feel it has and it’s more than likely going to cost us the midterms. So this is where I’m at personally. If that is tiresome for you for me to feel this way than so be it. I’m ready to move on . I don’t think he has the country in his best interest, I think he has himself in his best interest
spat
.950 JDJ
The Marines drank Reykjavík dry back in Oct '18.
Think what these sailors are going to do to Pattaya.
They're going to have to have a couple weeks off to recover when they leave. "There's not a woman in the city that can walk straight".
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I think people are forgetting that he shut the border and has deported/caused the return of 1-3 million illegals (depending on whose numbers you want to use). That is significant. That alone justified my vote. The downstream impact of continued illegal immigration at the Biden level would have been a disaster.
People can bitch about the military action against iran, the resulting increase in gas prices, or lack of progress on a pet issue like the Epstein files. They should remember he has most of the rest of government actively or passively working against him. Including most of his own party.
FIFY
The jokes practically write themselves at this point. There's going to be a lot of drunken sailors on shore leave doing what they are famous for.....
I'm frustrated about a lot of things he has or has not done or random inconsequential things he has been fixating on lately instead of bigger issues.
I've voted for him 3 times and I'm honest with myself enough to say I'm certainly not happy with a lot of what's happened in the past year, but with that being said getting rid of illegals and shutting the border is something that is 100% worth my vote.
Trump took the bait that the last 50 years worth of presidents have avoided. If anything, that's the one thing they all did well. He's the trout that was too stupid to avoid the worm with the hook in it.
This is the next Iraq style "forever war". I hope you all enjoy it, because you and your kid's kids will pay for it, with interest.
It's not cherry picking. He's judging the outcomes directly associated with Trump's political and military actions. Since Trump attacked Iran, which initiated a dramatic changes in oil sourcing and distribution, prices have skyrocketed.
That seems like a pretty fair assessment to me.
I like the illegals being booted too.
The thing is, I wouldn't burn down my house to get rid of the fruit flies that hitched a ride in on my bundle of bananas. That's closer to what he's doing.
spat
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But it's still down compared to the pre-Trump baseline.
Sure, it's not the low point of Trump's presidency, and certainly the Iran shenanigans have caused it to rise from that baseline. But it's still down from the Biden debacle, so Trump deserves some time to work out the current iteration.
The overall trend is down, even if this isn't a local minimum.
spat
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Inflation in Iran is 70%. How long do you think they can hold power like that ?
How long can they continue to menace their neghbors before they're just reduced another version of the houthis ?
spat
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Shutting off the USAID -> DNC kickback pipeline was also worth the vote alone.
There are several things he has done that I don't like, but there are several that each, alone, make it worth it.
Bigfoot
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A "forever war" is a lasting state of war with no clear conditions that would lead to a conclusion.
President Trump has stated the clear conditions for bringing the war to a conclusion.
1. Halt attacks on commercial shipping, fully reopen the Hormuz Strait.
2. Reach terms on Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Those are the two primary conditions. So no, this does not appear to be a "forever war," as it's not open-ended. There are set goals and conditions.
The Fanatical Iranian Death-to-America Regime's only chance of hope is that the Democrats get back in charge of things. That says a lot about whose side the Democrats are on. IMO
Besides that, you're jumping the gun with the Iraq-style "forever war". As far as Iran goes, there are no US infantry soldiers on the ground in Iran, not to mention armor units in support. And from what I'm taking in, Trump and his administration aren't planning on going that route.
#fOrEvErWaR herp derp
Presidents often get the credit or the blame for things that should be squarely put on Congress.
Much of Trumps Agenda items have been done through EO because the inept GOP in Congress. Those shit weasels are only worried about getting what is theirs and how they can get what is yours.
I think a lot of what is being done by underlings in this administration is going to ensure the Dems take back Congress, and I think it is being done on purpose.
The war with Iran was a long time coming, should have been handled 47 years ago in my opinion. But for fuck’s sake let’s get in there accomplish the mission and get out. Loose the dogs of war, so to speak. This trading missiles shit is for the Clintons.
Much of Trumps Agenda items have been done through EO because the inept GOP in Congress. Those shit weasels are only worried about getting what is theirs and how they can get what is yours.
I think a lot of what is being done by underlings in this administration is going to ensure the Dems take back Congress, and I think it is being done on purpose.
The war with Iran was a long time coming, should have been handled 47 years ago in my opinion. But for fuck’s sake let’s get in there accomplish the mission and get out. Loose the dogs of war, so to speak. This trading missiles shit is for the Clintons.
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spat
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He doesn't want to commit US troops on the ground. I can certainly understand that.
He doesn't yet believe that's necessary to accomplish our goals. He may be right.
If we can engineer regime change without any boots on the ground, I think that's worth letting the slow burn that's going on now continue.
They're at 70% inflation, and they have a large contingent of their population that wants to overthrow their government. They can't keep that up forever.
I think we should be striking the IRGC, if we're out of identifiable targets in their harassment campaign for the straight, then we should be targeting IRGC facilities and personnel that they need to pacify their own people.
Drop enough of the IRGC headquarters and leadership and you might get the revolution you're looking for.
I know boots on the grounds is what everyone dreads. The Israelis have HUMINT they can locate and eliminate or give us coordinates to eliminate as many as possible. Or put a bounty on every IRGC member make it enough money and the Iranians will be dragging them out of their houses by the feet.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
So that’s your issue with Trump because he said he’d have $2.00 gas and didn’t deliver it? Biden promised mush and delivered little as well.
Look I agree with REF and it’s about time we finish it or get out of Iran. I fear it’s too late and the midterms are lost. This will have lasting impact for a generation because we will lose many down ticket elections because of this.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
The issue I see is that takes time, and we’re out of time. Unless something changes quickly I do not see us holding anything back expect the Whitehouse. Even then he will be impeached. Will he be removed from office? It’s doubtful, but possible. Maybe that’s his goal, I don’t know.
To be able to have a long term strategy we need long term Republican control or Democrat support. We are in short supply of both. I do not want boots on the ground and neither does about anyone else. We’re in a bad spot here and Trump caused a lot of it.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
They only need to hold out until the next congress and house is in session. We will lose them both as a result of this war. Then Trump will be told to stop all action in Iran. That’s the issue.
There is a Laundry list. Not just Gas. We are toast come midterms.
spat
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In what way are we out of time ?
The dems taking the house in the midterms would certainly change the dynamic, but it's not going to fundamentally change the situation.
They can't actually pass anything meaningful without Trump just vetoing it. They're certainly not getting a veto proof majority.
And they can fire up the old impeachment show again, but that's DOA in the senate too.
So, besides making a lot of noise, nothing actually changes there.
The actual military situation in the strait can be maintained until at least the end of Trump's term with little difficulty.
The IRGC keeping control of Iran over that time frame OTOH is a lot more questionable.
spat
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They can tell Trump to stop with a resolution, but he's unlikely to listen.
To make him stop they would have to pass actual legislation, which he can veto. They will not have the votes to override a veto.
They can pass resolutions until they're blue in the face, but resolutions don't mean jack shit.
Does Ted like the abuse? Tucker is always body slamming him. Lol
Cruz: "They're a weak country, down on its knees."
Tucker: "Then why are we so afraid of them? Why are they considered the biggest threat if they're so weak?"
Cruz: "Be a little less sarcastic."
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Cruz: "They're a weak country, down on its knees."
Tucker: "Then why are we so afraid of them? Why are they considered the biggest threat if they're so weak?"
Cruz: "Be a little less sarcastic."
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I used to think the midterms were a done deal for the Dems.
Then they started shooting themselves in the feet with the whole DSA bullshit. Taking a page right out of the Republican playbook (never let a sure thing play itself out).
Now?
It's iffy. I think the dems have a little more sway, but it is quickly being erased by all the crap they are doing (supporting child killers, socialists, illegal rapists and murderers, etc.).
This doesn't mean the Repubs can sit back and ride out on their laurels. They still need to show they are actually willing to do their jobs. And with Thune as one of their examples they are sorely lacking.
The Republicans are experts as snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just watch them they won’t disappoint.
Open source Intel guys are saying Iran made an attempt with multiple ballistic missiles to hit US destroyers. And the US has retaliated sinking 5 Iranian tankers.
Also rumors of multiple volleys of Iranian ballistic missiles targeting a US base in Jordan.
Also rumors of multiple volleys of Iranian ballistic missiles targeting a US base in Jordan.