DemocRATS strike "so help me God"
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holdover
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You don't see a problem with an unconstitutional practice being forced upon those that do not wish to participate?
I can see your point , but your being rather dramatic about it. Nothing is being done to you .
And nobody is getting upset about anything. Except maybe those crying persecution again.
Only one I see crying persecution is you . You don't belive in God , Whats the big deal? Its like choosing a color for Christ's sake. We all have to swear to the color blue now. You have more of an argument with that because you can see blue! your making an argument about something which doesn't exists offends you . Its kind of silly .
Your like a Jewish person complaining about the Nazi flag on the other side of Pluto.
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I can see your point , but your being rather dramatic about it. Nothing is being done to you .
And nobody is getting upset about anything. Except maybe those crying persecution again.
Only one I see crying persecution is you . You don't belive in God , Whats the big deal? Its like choosing a color for Christ's sake. We all have to swear to the color blue now. You have more of an argument with that because you can see blue! your making an argument about something which doesn't exists offends you . Its kind of silly .
Your like a Jewish person complaining about the Nazi flag on the other side of Pluto.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
how about in NY we just start saying i pledge alliance to the high god of NY Andrew Coumo and do swear on his laws ..
bla bla bla ..
bla bla bla ..
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
This thread would be even more engaging if temporary scars was here 
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He was only temporary. Darth is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Robin
Is an oath taken, based on or supported by something you do not believe in, still binding?
If you were to swear an oath that, at the end, says "so help me Cuomo" would you feel some moral responsibility to ensure you do not break that oath?
Many won't.
however, banning "So help me, God," is not the correct action to take.
If a person is religious, this should be allowed. AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CODIFY THEIR RELIGION INTO OUR LAWS.
If you are a true believer, and wish to live your life by a moral code, I respect you. If you expect me to follow your religion, and yes, forcing me to say "So help me, God," when I do not believe in Him is forcing me to follow your religion, that is where this whole thing fails.
This is the problem I've been seeing in this whole discussion. One sides wants all to use their religious terms and deities, and the other side wants absolutely NO religious terms or deities involved.
IT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
As mentioned previously in this thread, it is no different than if you elect not to swear on a Bible in Court. I would rather you swear on something that has meaning to YOU.
And then I will judge you by your actions, not your words.
Or, more appropriately, you must swear that God is make believe.
When everyone here is comfortable talking their oath saying that, then we are all good. It's just like a color right? Who cares if it doesn't apply to a large part of the populace?
If zero people were affected by it, it would still be worth ending. It's unconstitutional nonsense.
This would be easier if the justice for breaking an oath was handed our by real, tangible individuals.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I can agree with that. If your not a believer , no point in swearing . Makes sense.
I hardly see that as some of kind of oppression , But I guess people find shit to complain about.
How about swearing an oath to something more tangible , like your right hand? or your eye? If you are found in violation of your oath You lose your right hand or your eye? That works for me.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
"I would rather you swear on something that has meaning to YOU."
Oh, like a Pink Floyd album.
Robin
Oh, like a Pink Floyd album.
Robin
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
The only problem with this reasoning is that the vast majority of people in prison do read the bible and believe in everything associated with it WELL before they end up in prison. Again what you believe in doesn't dictate your actions. Your actions are simply your actions.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"What you believe in doesn't dictate your actions"?
Mine do. It's called an ethos. Otherwise what are you but an animal crashing through the wilderness?
Mine do. It's called an ethos. Otherwise what are you but an animal crashing through the wilderness?
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
I guess if you remove god then you don't have any god given rights, they can do what they want to ya.
How about swearing on something more desirable.
"I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, and to the Flag that represents it, on my honor."
Good thing Rights aren't given by God. Nor are they given by the Constitution.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Then where do they come from?
Robin
Robin
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
They come from nature and people. Stuff like self defense is as easy as observing creatures in nature and their various defense mechanisms. Laws/rights come from people. Societies decide what's most beneficial for their particular situation hence why laws are different all over the world. Do some reading on negative vs positive rights.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't like to be negative, but I'm positive we are loosing our rights, our God given rights as described by our founders.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
In which schools are bibles not allowed?
Then he's pretty poor at protecting his children...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How about not swearing at all? It's useless. People that believe in God, swear and lie all the time. It means nothing. People will do or say what they are going to do it say as evidenced by countless criminals at trials.
If this oath caused them to blow up or fall dead after swearing and lying then I'd say, sure, keep it. But we all know that isn't the case so why continue this stupid charade.
Here's an example. I swear on my God to follow all laws that NYS passes in the future and those passed in the past so help me God.
I guarantee I'll be here tomorrow after I break some law out there.
If this oath caused them to blow up or fall dead after swearing and lying then I'd say, sure, keep it. But we all know that isn't the case so why continue this stupid charade.
Here's an example. I swear on my God to follow all laws that NYS passes in the future and those passed in the past so help me God.
I guarantee I'll be here tomorrow after I break some law out there.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
From my understanding thats not how it works. If or when it comes time to actually bear arms in restoring those Liberties maybe you will get it, maybe.
Robin
