dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Dont forget the same slope that many people seem to be sliding down that not armed = not dangerous/deadly. This was a perfectly legitimate use of DPF.
Handgun stopping power, lack of it. Police video
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I was also bothered by watching the cop getting punched & tossed to the ground while the other two cops stood & watched (one on radio and the other w/ bodycam backing away( either shoot him again or holster it and help your partner. Don't just stand there and watch.)
And risk missing the head and hitting someone else behind him. Its shoot until the threat stops, stomach and thoracic cavity.
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And then there is this nonsense. Clearly you dont understand ballistics and that the year is 2018.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Clearly you don't understand that the 45 is the greatest man stopper ever devised. The one shot stopper that kills not only your physical body but your soul in the afterlife.
Im only going to not argue your nonsense because it is stellar nonsense. Touche
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Thanks for conceding. Frying pans not withstanding you can't argue the facts. Ask @Willjr75.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Yes.
As I've discussed with many pro-gun and anti-gun people: A defensive firearm is discharged to stop a threat. If the threat dies, so be it. If the threat is incapacitated or runs...also acceptable. But, firing continues until the threat is no longer being presented.
Or as we used to say in the old country, when in doubt empty the magazine.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
or two.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
With a pistol of the ACP variety you need 3 magazines.
This is not only about the stopping power, or lack thereof, of a certain round.
Many, many factors come in to play in regards to taking down a bad guy who is doing bad guy stuff.
Many, many factors come in to play in regards to taking down a bad guy who is doing bad guy stuff.
What is saw in the video us the work of 9mm.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. Hollow points more than likely.
The same thing would have happened with a .45 .................................................................................................................
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
That's why I practice drawing and firing multiple rounds.
A non-critical hit is a non-critical hit, period. When under the influence of some drugs, the perception of pain can be altered to the point where it can be ignored. A threat must be permanently stopped or incapacitated before defensive action stops.
Personally, I'd prefer the capacity of 9mm over 45ACP. A miss with either does no damage. Higher capacity simply means more chances to get on target. That said, a shot to a lateral hip may be incapacitating with a 45ACP but not with a 9mm....depending on the specific attacker. A head shot, even with the lowly 22LR, can usually stop the threat immediately.
Bottom line: Get on target and stay there until you're out of danger.
I take it you didnt pick up on my sarcasm and me mocking @71velle lle
I stand by 9mm, its 2018 ballistically speaking science has made all round pretty equal. Federal HSP +P 9mm is all i carry.
I carry Super Vel 190 Grain JHP (manufactured before their re-launch in 2015) 45 ACP in my carry guns. I may have to pick up some of their 185 grain stuff one day. supervel
If I were the officer in the vid I would rather had a 45 than the 9mm that was used.
And I ask you guys to seriously ask yourselves if in a situation where you knew you would only make 1 hit would you want it to be with 9 or 45?
And I ask you guys to seriously ask yourselves if in a situation where you knew you would only make 1 hit would you want it to be with 9 or 45?
I need to start incorporating this shot more into my training.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Deadly physical force can be used to prevent serious bodily injury, death or arson.
thats one of the on going jokes on this forum...
don't take these types of comments seriously.. you will learn the personalities soon enough man.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
My .45 would have stopped him, its an original 1917 soul killer.
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That depends. Is that one shot behind a barrier? If so, 9mm. The .45 may not make it thought said barrier.
Is it a fat guy? Is the shot going to be going though an arm first and then into his chest after it exits his arm? If so, 9mm. A solid copper non-expanding round will penetrate further than a .45 ACP would of the same solid copper bullet design and have a better chance of reaching vitals.
Is the assailant wearing body armor that's level 2 and below? If so 9mm.
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If 45 ACP can penetrate anything why did Underwood make an Xtreme defender that was not designed to penetrate as much as the original?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't understand your question. Who said the .45 Acp can penetrate anything? I didn't. I say the opposite when it comes to hard barriers that require speed and smaller frontal meplats.
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In this particular shooting, a 45ACP might have been better. In other instances, the 9mm would be better. In life there are too many variables to say one thing is better than the next.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
People still wear level 2?
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
What’s your wife carry when you take her 9mm?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Some perps do since it's all they can get. They don't buy online or at stores like we do. They buy shit from the back of a trunk. That's why when caught, you see the magazine loaded with both hollow points and fmj. Whatever they can get. At times they stupidly load their 9's with .380's because they don't know the difference.