Pretty funny though.
In the caliber wars this was a mustard gas attack!
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A little rhetoric and joking around in the video but Correct!
He called out the .45. And old men, or as he indelicately puts it "guys who's balls hit the water when they sit on the toilet"
I like his channel, I don't always agree with him but I usually do, and he can be humorously acerbic.
I like his channel, I don't always agree with him but I usually do, and he can be humorously acerbic.
Yeah he did a job on em, but folks not familiar with New Yankee Marshall should realize that just how he rolls, he doesn't really mean it he's just a smart ass.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The 45 is not a total disaster round but it is true, with today's choices, for critical defense, it makes as much sense as the 1911 designed for it.
Romanticism and love from classics is everywhere. In another forum someone made a thread to justify the SKS over the AR for tactical use.
Romanticism and love from classics is everywhere. In another forum someone made a thread to justify the SKS over the AR for tactical use.
Uzi
.308 Win
Now remember kids, 45acp's are very deadly, Very large deadly bullets moving faster than you ever can, and like most other deadly bullets that shoot out of guns, can, and have killed easily. Definitely NOT obsolete in any regard. If you're carrying a handgun for PD, you're not going to defeat body armor and you're not going to get battle rifle performance, so if you can meet minimum penetration levels out of a 45acp, what difference does it make having a preference for a larger bullet? My 45acp is very light, it also has the same capacity and more than many of my other carry guns. It has more potential than the operator can likely achieve. For self defense, It's one hell of a nasty piece of flying lead if you can learn to handle the firearm well. Out of my short match grade barrel I'm maybe pushing 750fps, but that doesn't mean much to me, because I know what it's capable of. That's actually quite retarded for grandpa to say that, but not shocking. I wouldn't go out selling your 45acp's because it moves 200-300fps slower than your 9mm. What's more important is the fact that it does what it's designed to do, isn't that what you want? It's not going to bounce off a person. Now, the purpose of the video was more about his opinion, which is fine, but the ammo war debate for PD is so fucking stupid, it really is. Tell me my 45acp isn't good enough anymore lol.. Having said that, I carry 9mm because it's easier for everyday carrying purposes and expenses, but I'd feel pretty damn secure with a 45 just as much.
Living in NYS is a pretty strong case for an SKS. Not to put too fine a point on it or anything. By the same token if living in a capacity limited state the .45 starts making more sense. I am a firm believer in the 9mm however.
@Uzi Kids huh? Say do your balls float in toilet water when you sit on the can?
@Uzi Kids huh? Say do your balls float in toilet water when you sit on the can?
Uzi
.308 Win
Living in NYS is a pretty strong case for an SKS. Not to put too fine a point on it or anything. By the same token if living in a capacity limited state the .45 starts making more sense. I am a firm believer in the 9mm however.
@Uzi Kids huh? Say do your balls float in toilet water when you sit on the can?
I will say since there are common inquires about my balls, I will add that they have suffered some pretty "nasty shit" (so to speak) outside of any toilet bowl, Seriously. Thankfully it has nothing to do about 45acp, but I have endured more than most have, let's say that (understatement). If my balls were made out of steel, they'd be banged up worse than tissue that can repair itself that's for sure. If you want to go there, by all means, I have a lot I can share. Not the right guy for ball jokes, really not the right guy. Oh yeah, by the way I like 45acp.
Uzi
.308 Win
Oh yeah, and I don't sit on the can, I'm a squatter like Hank Hill.
mickw
.40 S&W
This guy makes me laugh...I loved when he pitted the G43 against the Remington R51
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. It is very deadly. It does it's job as intended for soft targets if not better than smaller calibers. If that is all you need it for, it will penetrate 12 to 18 inches in flesh just like any smaller caliber is designed to do with modern hollow points.
The only thing it lacks is speed and that lack of speed is what makes it fall short in penetrating harder objects compared to lighter calibers. IE some barriers. More so from shorter barrels.
Other than that, it does it's job admirably.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I've always wondered what is the obsession with the 230 gr? A heavier grain isn't always better.
In. 357 Magnum, law enforcement agencies have always gone with the lighter 125gr because it penetrated harder barriers better compared to the heavier hunting grains while still being effecting against a thin skinned 2 legger.
Why isn't the 185 gr that reaches about 1000 fps more popular? I'm no expert but wouldn't that be a better all around grain that'll almost match the lighter grained calibers for harder barriers?
I think people are just stuck on the higher 230 gr number just because without knowing why. 2 leggers aren't that thick where they need a heavier grain to reach vitals. That 230 gr number fools people.
In. 357 Magnum, law enforcement agencies have always gone with the lighter 125gr because it penetrated harder barriers better compared to the heavier hunting grains while still being effecting against a thin skinned 2 legger.
Why isn't the 185 gr that reaches about 1000 fps more popular? I'm no expert but wouldn't that be a better all around grain that'll almost match the lighter grained calibers for harder barriers?
I think people are just stuck on the higher 230 gr number just because without knowing why. 2 leggers aren't that thick where they need a heavier grain to reach vitals. That 230 gr number fools people.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Old guy's know things.
Robin
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
Because the philosophy that leads you to the .45 in the first place leads you to the biggest slowest thing you can load it with.
I'm not saying the philosophy is incorrect, just that if you have decided to go for size over speed, then 230gr is the answer. If you wanted speed over size, you probably picked another round all together.
That's it! The answer is here! No more need for caliber wars. According to the new Resident Evil Final Chapter movie, simultaneously fired rounds shot by Claire with a 45 and a 9mm shot fired by Alice both aiming to hit Dr. Isaacs..it looks like the 9mm has 10% better penetration and "threat killed estimation" value. Thank god for Hollywood, otherwise we really would never have known this pertinent information! I know one thing for sure..I'm so damn thankful I carry 9's and this is the proof of all proofs to end this childishness! 
I won't give away what happens in the coming seconds, you just gonna have to rent it (actually I don't know either, because I paused the movie to take a picture of my TV and type out this ridiculous post) carry on.
I won't give away what happens in the coming seconds, you just gonna have to rent it (actually I don't know either, because I paused the movie to take a picture of my TV and type out this ridiculous post) carry on.
Well when things go bump in the night I'm not grabbing a peice of Tubaware I'm grabbing some cold stainless steel engineered by John Moses Browning in a caliber designed to be a man stopper. And yes modern ammo has come a long way in 38 9mm 357mag 44 44 mag 40 and 10 mm but it also improved on the 45 ACP.
My uncle keeps a S&W in 45LC in his bed stand and he's old as fucked. Since he's shot people with a 45 and says it the only caliber he stake his life on it. I'll go with it.
My uncle keeps a S&W in 45LC in his bed stand and he's old as fucked. Since he's shot people with a 45 and says it the only caliber he stake his life on it. I'll go with it.
spat
.950 JDJ
No, because an SKS could conceivably "accept a detachable magazine". They are all illegal in NY and just being ignored. Didn't you read the other thread ?Living in NYS is a pretty strong case for an SKS. Not to put too fine a point on it or anything. By the same token if living in a capacity limited state the .45 starts making more sense. I am a firm believer in the 9mm however.
@Uzi Kids huh? Say do your balls float in toilet water when you sit on the can?
spat
.950 JDJ
Where a .45 shines is with a suppressor. When the speed of sound limits your max velocity, the only way to get more power is bigger bullets......
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Even without a suppressor like most people use them for self defense a heavier round might compensate when speed is not possible due to short barrel, ammo, etc...
A different story is if a heavier projectile is more lethal or not. Sectional density, bullet construction are more important factors. Once you get to 35 caliber and 150gr that is plenty of mass already to be very deadly. So one has to decide if it is more important to have extra shots that means more fire power and higher chance to connect. For example, 357SIG, 9x23, 10mm, 9x25 more power and more rounds even some pretty heavy rounds too.
spat
.950 JDJ
In NY most of us are constrained to 10 rounds, and that makes the extra ammo available from smaller rounds less advantageous. But, as you say, once you've got "enough" Bullet for a particular target (and assuming we are using state of the art bullets in both cases) shot placement and follow up are the most critical.
A quicker second shot from a lighter recoiling round is a big advantage over a 45, assuming all other factors are equal.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They don't get that Meke. In their minds, an extra milimeter and change in diameter size trumps round count, firepower, and barrier penetration.
They think that a .45 FMJ that has complete pass through in a human body will do more damage than a .357 Sig FMJ with complete pass through.
They don't even realize that in a hollow point configuration, they'll both penetrate the same distance.
To them the number .45 or 230 means that it must be deadlier. Never mind misses and multiple targets or targets taking cover behind barriers. The .45 round is bigger, the targets will stand still, there will not be multiple targets firing at you from barriers. All you need is a heavy, steel 1911 with 7 round magazines.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's not a good argument. 11 rounds compared to 6 rounds is still better in a subcompact for CCW.
The NY thing only makes sense if you carry a full size and then you are at a disadvantage in regards to barrier penetration anyway.
So if the 9mm, .40, or .357 can penetrate those barriers, what exactly are you gaining with a slightly larger size in diameter?
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
As I said in another thread, all ACP rounds have one thing in common. .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP, and .45 ACP are all slow as molasses.
None of those rounds can penetrate anything hard that requires speed.
None of those rounds can penetrate anything hard that requires speed.
spat
.950 JDJ
11 vs 6 is a good argument, you'll get no fight from me on that. That isn't always the case though. 11 in a gun that maxes out at 11 vs 11 in a gun that can have 18 with a normal mag is less compelling.