Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[holdover]

Since there is absolutely no evidence even conceivable that could disprove it, then he is not guilty.

That's how justice works. He doesn't have to prove it. They have to disprove it.

Are you trying to say that the burden of proof lies with the Government? That they need to prove a crime was committed, and the accused committed the crime beyond all reasonable doubt? Like in the old'en days?

Im pretty sure all those agents could have come up with a charge in 3 weeks if they had the evidence of a crime , or maybe they got nothing that would stick in court ? No, Im sure they have to go through all those documents for a few more weeks , its a lot of work for 30 agents , thats only like 1,200 man hours per week x 3 ,They only spent 3,600 man hours and there must be at least hundreds of pages to go through It might take years for justice to be done.

 

[livingston]

A good read folks

☕️ Coffee & Covid ☙ Saturday, August 27, 2022 ☙ THE AFFIDAVIT

A roundup of Biden Raid Affidavit news along with some things you might not have heard anywhere else; and Governor DeSantis lowers the boom on four Broward school board members.

www.coffeeandcovid.com

In its summary section, the Affidavit — as expected — was so heavily redacted that it does NOT establish probable cause for a raid of a former’s president’s home, despite what some otherwise smart pundits argue. Plus, there were other tools available to the FBI, like a subpoena, but they went with the most invasive and violent choice instead, and the Affidavit does not explain that remarkable decision. I’ll return to this point in a bit.

Here’s how it started. Between May and December 2021, deep-state bureaucrats at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA or the National Archives) pestered Trump’s people about a small number of presidential documents that NARA thought should’ve been turned over to the Archives instead of stored at Mar-a-Lago.

Those conversations ended in early January when Trump returned fifteen boxes of documents to NARA. Fifteen banker’s boxes of documents is NOT a lot. For reference, even my smallest trial cases consume more than fifteen banker’s boxes of documents. In one case, now settled, my client recently got around to picking up five year’s worth of payroll records; those ALONE filled about twelve banker’s boxes, never mind all the OTHER documents related to the case.

So fifteen boxes of documents from a four-year Presidential term is really nothing.

 

[livingston]

This is from the above post interesting ...
a major impediment to the FBI’s legal ability to search a former president’s home: Presidential privilege. The privilege completely protects a former President’s confidential records and communications. It was a thorny problem.

But don’t worry! Joe and his lawyers found a loophole: Joe, acting as the CURRENT President, conveniently waived aside the Presidential privilege FOR TRUMP, on the theory that the acting President holds the right to waive or preserve the privilege, no matter which President first asserted it.

Is the waiver legal? Who knows. Who cares! It’s never been done before

 

[nortatoga]

U.S. Constitution - Article II | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of Article II of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

 

[nortatoga]

Do presidents have 'the ability to declassify anything'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information

www.politifact.com

 

[Blimey]

I'll never understand why so many grown men are on their knees defending a guy who couldn't give a shit about them.

He was given emphatic, multiple warnings about the repercussions of his impropriety. He is too stupid, or stubborn, or both to have heeded them. Don't you dare cry for trump. He brought this upon himself; volunteering, when you don't even know the substantive details of this case, to fight for him is true cuck behavior.

Inside the 20-month fight to get Trump to return Presidential material

The National Archives and the Justice Department tried and failed repeatedly for more than a year and a half to retrieve classified and sensitive documents from former President Donald Trump. Here's how the events unfolded.

indianexpress.com

Late 2021

Archives officials warn of consequences.

Officials at the archives warn Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.

 

[Blimey]

Do presidents have 'the ability to declassify anything'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information

www.politifact.com

This isn't in dispute.

Except he isn't potus anymore and absent proof he actually declassified anything it's just him lying again. In any case, the records do not belong to him.

Don't for a second think that the FBI put itself on the line here because it was too lazy to read a couple of wiki articles on popular legislation.

 

[nortatoga]

This isn't in dispute.

Except he isn't potus anymore and absent proof he actually declassified anything it's just him lying again. In any case, the records do not belong to him.

Don't for a second think that the FBI put itself on the line here because it was too lazy to read a couple of wiki articles on popular legislation.

I guess you were in the room also!!!

FBI Affidavit Acknowledges Breitbart News Article with Trump's Defense

The FBI special agent who sought a search warrant of Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago cited a Breitbart News article in his affidavit.

www.breitbart.com

“The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn’t mean the information wasn’t declassified,” Patel told Breitbart News. “I was there with President Trump when he said, ‘We are declassifying this information.’”
Patel told Breitbart News that the material was information that Trump “felt spoke to matters regarding everything from Russiagate to the Ukraine impeachment fiasco to major national security matters of great public importance — anything the president felt the American people had a right to know is in there and more.”

Patel is also a former prosecutor, former public defender, former principal deputy to the acting director of national intelligence, former National Security Council aide, and former top House Intelligence Committee staffer who would be well-versed in classification matters.
The FBI special agent wrote in the affidavit:

 

[Blimey]

I guess you were in the room also!!!

FBI Affidavit Acknowledges Breitbart News Article with Trump's Defense

The FBI special agent who sought a search warrant of Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago cited a Breitbart News article in his affidavit.

www.breitbart.com

“The White House counsel failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings, but that doesn’t mean the information wasn’t declassified,” Patel told Breitbart News. “I was there with President Trump when he said, ‘We are declassifying this information.’”
Patel told Breitbart News that the material was information that Trump “felt spoke to matters regarding everything from Russiagate to the Ukraine impeachment fiasco to major national security matters of great public importance — anything the president felt the American people had a right to know is in there and more.”

Patel is also a former prosecutor, former public defender, former principal deputy to the acting director of national intelligence, former National Security Council aide, and former top House Intelligence Committee staffer who would be well-versed in classification matters.
The FBI special agent wrote in the affidavit:

I guess a single chat with Patel and all of this misunderstanding could have been cleared up.

 

[Bigfoot]

A grown man that let his wife tell him who to vote for should not be accusing others of cuck behavior... LOL

 

[Bigfoot]

I may not know all of the facts. But I do know about Russiagate. Falsifying a FISA warrant.
Two separate sham impeachments, A sham hearing about an "unarmed" insurrection.
And more...

That's enough for me to figure out what's actually going on.
This isn't exactly rocket science. Past behavior is an indicator, is it not?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Judge Signals Intent to Back Trump’s Request for Mar-a-Lago Special Master

News you need to know

redstateobserver.com

 

[Blimey]

I may not know all of the facts

You could have left it at that. Keep cucking.

 

[Bigfoot]

You could have left it at that. Keep cucking.

Dude, you lost all of your credibility in the covid thread.
You were wrong about everything then. LOL

And you're wrong about everything now.

By the way, you're projecting again.

 

[tirwin1]

I'll never understand why so many grown men are on their knees defending a guy who couldn't give a shit about them.

He was given emphatic, multiple warnings about the repercussions of his impropriety. He is too stupid, or stubborn, or both to have heeded them. Don't you dare cry for trump. He brought this upon himself; volunteering, when you don't even know the substantive details of this case, to fight for him is true cuck behavior.

Inside the 20-month fight to get Trump to return Presidential material

The National Archives and the Justice Department tried and failed repeatedly for more than a year and a half to retrieve classified and sensitive documents from former President Donald Trump. Here's how the events unfolded.

indianexpress.com

Late 2021

Archives officials warn of consequences.

Officials at the archives warn Trump’s representatives that there could be a referral to the Justice Department or an alert to Congress if the former president continues to refuse to comply with the Presidential Records Act.

I'll never understand how TDS can get people to take a story in the ny times based on leaks from a corrupt agency at face value. It's almost as if hate overwhelms critical thinking ability.

 

[tirwin1]

That Mushroom Cloud You See Is Another Trump Media Narrative Exploding Before Your Eyes

Four days after the raid on former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, The Washington Post ran

pjmedia.com

 

[spat]

This is from the above post interesting ...
a major impediment to the FBI’s legal ability to search a former president’s home: Presidential privilege. The privilege completely protects a former President’s confidential records and communications. It was a thorny problem.

But don’t worry! Joe and his lawyers found a loophole: Joe, acting as the CURRENT President, conveniently waived aside the Presidential privilege FOR TRUMP, on the theory that the acting President holds the right to waive or preserve the privilege, no matter which President first asserted it.

Is the waiver legal? Who knows. Who cares! It’s never been done before

Guess that means the next president can waive all of Biden, Obama, and Clinton's privilege ?


Imagine what that could turn up.

 

[Blimey]

Dude, you lost all of your credibility in the covid thread.
You were wrong about everything then. LOL

And you're wrong about everything now.

By the way, you're projecting again.

Honey, I've been doing this a lot longer than you have. Feel better, okay?

 

[Blimey]

It's almost as if hate overwhelms critical thinking ability.

You're almost there...hate for an entire [slightly more than] half of the country is so pervasive in a certain subset of indoctrinated people that they will abdicate all sense of reason and go deep-throat on whatever a proven liar has concocted for them to believe in.

 

[dsdmmat]

Honey, I've been doing this a lot longer than you have. Feel better, okay?

just because you have been doing it longer doesn’t mean you have been doing it right, but this off topic lovers quarrel you and @Bigfoot are having needs to be taken to pm or you can just agree to disagree without the sidemouthing.

 

[spat]

You're almost there...hate for an entire [slightly more than] half of the country is so pervasive in a certain subset of indoctrinated people that they will abdicate all sense of reason and go deep-throat on whatever a proven liar has concocted for them to believe in.

The right is not the group foaming at the mouth about Trump being the antichrist.

Or how *this* time they have incontrovertible proof that he has committed felonies and will go down for sure.

The man has lots of room for improvement, there is much I don't like about him. But he is easily the best POTUS since at least Reagan, by any reasonable metric you care to name.

 

[tirwin1]

You're almost there...hate for an entire [slightly more than] half of the country is so pervasive in a certain subset of indoctrinated people that they will abdicate all sense of reason and go deep-throat on whatever a proven liar has concocted for them to believe in.

Clearly you're talking about hillary clinton. She's the only one that derided the half of the country that didn't support her. Lol, do you not see your projection?

 

[DoOver]

 

[DoOver]

 

[nortatoga]

 

[livingston]

 

[Blimey]

Clearly you're talking about hillary clinton. She's the only one that derided the half of the country that didn't support her. Lol, do you not see your projection?

There is one person on this forum who continually talks in high praise about the opportunity to have a civil war, so that he can kill democrats. Another who has said they should all be hanged. And others who also jerk off at the notion of killing anybody with a biden or bernie sticker, so don't pretend to me the right is not poisoned with hatred. They refer to it as the great reset so that they can hobble their geriatric asses out the door with their rifles and pick off liberals.

So don't pretend to me for a second the right is not poisoned by hatred.

Bonus: this is the time trump said he loves the poorly educated because they are the most loyal. Proof positive he is not always wrong

 

[Blimey]

uh oh

18 Former Trump Officials Say Claim of 'Standing Order' to Declassify White House Docs Is False: Report

"Nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given," Trump’s former Chief of Staff John Kelly tells CNN, which interviewed more than a dozen other former White House officials

www.yahoo.com

 

[DoOver]

 

[DoOver]

Jeepers, if these were truly "Classified" documents, does the FBI have the clearence to view them??