Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I reload, but I don't think Mek is too enamored over that cartridge. Right now the components are pretty cheap.
Robin
Robin
Possible new AR for hunting... caliber?
- Thread starter Airborneguy
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I reload everything, I wrote that above.
@thewheels
.308 Win
A custom 358 Legend barrel will open new possibilities.
Now we really need @meketrefe!
I came close to jumping in on the .357 Gunner years ago but chickened out on making my own brass. I was new to reloading then and didn't want to commit to that.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Hi.
Well,
Everyone has different situations like if one is already consolidating calibers to stock up in very specific bullets thst can be used for differner casings and firearms. Like 9mm and 357 bullets to use in both popular pistol and also rifle. So one might take this into account before anything else.
However I think the 350 legend chamber is limiting itself in the 355 bore. If I was going to use that case I would order a barrel reamed in 358 bore with 6 rachet so then I could use many other bullets in 357 and 358 bores w/o worries. Only one will have to adjust case reaming, mandrel and or crimp dies but then have a lot more options. The 35 gunner is a lot more powerful just because of the powder charge and tiny neck. It also does not need mag modifications and stacks just fine in a x39 mag.
If I was going to do one probsbly the 357 herret with a 358 bore and using 6.8 brass is as easy as it gets.
One pass with the herret die, trim and presto!
For the legend situation check the 358 AR reamer that is backwards compatible with the legend but for 357 or 358 bores.
That is a better choice for playing with a wider range of bullets IMO.
Or get one of those light 308 receivers and get the mighty 358 winchester. That round will do it all.
Perhaps too much for some. But you could load it light with 150gr 357 tmj bullets or hot including 250gr 358 bonded bullets to hunt a Grizzly if you want.
Like the 35 whelen it offers magnum like power in a very simple and economical package but in a short action unlike the whelen.
The 35 bore is well known as fast killing for its many true outdoorsman calibers.
Well,
Everyone has different situations like if one is already consolidating calibers to stock up in very specific bullets thst can be used for differner casings and firearms. Like 9mm and 357 bullets to use in both popular pistol and also rifle. So one might take this into account before anything else.
However I think the 350 legend chamber is limiting itself in the 355 bore. If I was going to use that case I would order a barrel reamed in 358 bore with 6 rachet so then I could use many other bullets in 357 and 358 bores w/o worries. Only one will have to adjust case reaming, mandrel and or crimp dies but then have a lot more options. The 35 gunner is a lot more powerful just because of the powder charge and tiny neck. It also does not need mag modifications and stacks just fine in a x39 mag.
If I was going to do one probsbly the 357 herret with a 358 bore and using 6.8 brass is as easy as it gets.
One pass with the herret die, trim and presto!
For the legend situation check the 358 AR reamer that is backwards compatible with the legend but for 357 or 358 bores.
That is a better choice for playing with a wider range of bullets IMO.
Or get one of those light 308 receivers and get the mighty 358 winchester. That round will do it all.
Perhaps too much for some. But you could load it light with 150gr 357 tmj bullets or hot including 250gr 358 bonded bullets to hunt a Grizzly if you want.
Like the 35 whelen it offers magnum like power in a very simple and economical package but in a short action unlike the whelen.
The 35 bore is well known as fast killing for its many true outdoorsman calibers.
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What’s the word on 6.5 Grendel?
@thewheels
.308 Win
Does not use standard mags.
Shorter barrels typically have less impact on velocity in the Grendel. A 12.5 inch barrel should make for an efficient 250 yard deer gun.
Plinking ammo is pretty cheap. .25-.30/per.
I went with a 20 inch and like it so far.
That’s awesome thanks. This might be the one. I initially wasn’t interested in it but then I read more.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I would say 18" minimun 19 or 20" better. 100gr and 120gr bullets are good for average white tail. But I would not buy the grendel and insteas the 6.5LBC (les baers) chamber that is more accurate by desing due to the better throat and leade angle.
Also consider one chalmbered and headspaced for a 7.62x39 AR bolt that has a smaller recess than a 6.5 grendel bolt and therefore stronger.
ARP has both LBC chamber and uses 7.62x39 bolts probably the strongest AR bolts due to the largest lug radius.
The LBC/grendel uses both grendel or x39 mags.
But if one reloads a very nice one is the 6.5mm BR. The tricky part is to locate the bolts and extensions but if one doesnt mind up to 5 rounds for taeget and plenty for hunting and the extra cost up front for reloadong this beats all other popular calibers and leaves the grendel in the dust.
If anyone is super interested in the mighty BR I know where one might get one so page me.
Thanks
@thewheels
.308 Win
The bullet selection and cheap brass would make this more ideal IMO for rolling your own.
As of now, I don't see much point in reloading for the 350 legend unless you go the custom barrel route. Still...I'm seriously considering adding an upper in 350. Just...because...
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Bullet selection for the 6.5 is good enough for paper but not as great for hunting. The same case in 6mm gives a lot more options and balance and in terms of affordability the 6x45 or 6mm TCU are hard to beat with virtually free or dirt cheap 5.56 brass.
The 6mm offers the 500 mstch bullets value packs like the 233 ones sometimes even cheaper something not available in 6.5mm.
Another great simple option, that like the 6x45 uses 5.56 bras is the 6.5 TCU that with a tad extra freebore can match the grendel but cheaper to reload. It will require a modified magazine or a 350 legend mag that do not have the front rib so they stack w/o problems.
The 6x45 and 6tcu do not require anything and they are as easy or even more to reload than the 223 itself. The 6x45 is so forgiviging and accurate that I started to think one could piss inside the case and still produce half inch moa.
@thewheels
.308 Win
I inherited my equipment and If I ever get the time and space to start rolling my own, I'll PM you for ideas.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
no prob. Better keep it an open thread in the reloading section so others can follow ideas, discussion...
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I also forgot to say that for AR15 the 270 bore has a very nice selection for hunting for the 6.8. That is another attractive aspect of the 6.8.
And if you got lots of 6.8 cases and also like 6mm the 6mm WASP is a great reamer for making a 6mm-68 AR.
Although you have one 6mm predator already from ARP.
IMO this 6mm in a 6.8 like case should be the next round for the US army.
Will extend the effective tange of the ar15 to 900 yards.
And if you got lots of 6.8 cases and also like 6mm the 6mm WASP is a great reamer for making a 6mm-68 AR.
Although you have one 6mm predator already from ARP.
IMO this 6mm in a 6.8 like case should be the next round for the US army.
Will extend the effective tange of the ar15 to 900 yards.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I too bought PRI mags. They are solid.
Hmm... so what about shortening my AR10 instead? How’s .308 out of shorter barrels? I’ll switch out the A2 stock for a much lighter one and rebuild the upper with a 16” barrel.
Why not go 18” and keep the rifle length gas system? I would definitely recommend an adjustable gas block as AR308s tend to be over gassed.
I’m trying to shed weight. It’s either sell the AR10 and build a Grendel or re-configure the AR10 and keep it.
There will be very little weight difference in the 16 and 18 inch barrels but, the performance/reliability will be better and the abuse on the system will be less. You can get carbon fiber Handguard which will save more weight than 2 inches of barrel would.
When you say performance/reliability will be better you mean by sticking with the 18”?
Yes and a rifle length gas system.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
16" is pretty absurd for thr 308 as lots of powder is burned outside the barrel but if you have to do it still will work. But if you cut it try 18 or at least 17 inches that in reality is the same. A 18" barrel with a short brake or no brake is as long as a 16" barrel with a long brake but it is useful real state.
IMO if one is going to do a 16" thr 6.8 or even a modern 7.62x39 hambered in 308 bore makes more sense. Less heat, less noise and less commotion.
IMO if one is going to do a 16" thr 6.8 or even a modern 7.62x39 hambered in 308 bore makes more sense. Less heat, less noise and less commotion.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You can use a rifle porting with 16" barrel (from the tenon) and will work just fine. Actually cooler than a mid lenght.
the AR10 or 15 should never be a carbine system. That is one of the design mistskes inhereted from the M4 that for an inexplicable reason along with the eeakened M4 style tacticool barrels went main stream.
Another mistake of the AR15 areth 1/2 inch threads.
the AR10 or 15 should never be a carbine system. That is one of the design mistskes inhereted from the M4 that for an inexplicable reason along with the eeakened M4 style tacticool barrels went main stream.
Another mistake of the AR15 areth 1/2 inch threads.
Well for now I ordered a Magpul MOE stock to replace the A2 stock. Hopefully that makes it more comfortable for me and maybe I won’t mind the weight that way.
It’s currently sporting an 18” barrel. I’m going to try to keep it that way.
It’s currently sporting an 18” barrel. I’m going to try to keep it that way.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
What weight? There is no weight.
If any that is actually good weight to balance the firearm.
If any that is actually good weight to balance the firearm.
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1075tech
.338 Win Mag
@Airborneguy ... If you decide you want to try the Grendel, come up to the 12550. I have a 12, 16, and 18" MSR and 20" bolt action you can try out.
If you decide you like the Grendel, I have a 16" upper available for sale.
If you decide you like the Grendel, I have a 16" upper available for sale.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Now there's an offer
ETA: The Grendel will have less recoil than the .308 - It reminds me of a 30-30 or a 7.62x39
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The 6.8 is the only one I have successfully hunted with and the recoil is so negligible that I was able to hold steady for a followup shot if needed, of course, it wasn't. I'm just searching out other caliber cuz its fun. They will all do the job.
Robin
Robin