Should private businesses be allowed to ban guns?

[Truebeliever]

And just because the license requires the doctor to treat him or her doesn’t make it right. That’s an issue you seem to be having in this thread and others. Just because laws are passed and that’s the way it is, it doesn’t make it right. It wasn’t right to require proper cause yet here we are.

What the license should entail is competency. That requirements are met to be able to treat people. Not who they have to treat. That’s like requiring a pilot who owns a private plane to fly anyone to wherever they want. Or requiring a gun shop owner to sell to an 18 year old kid that looks and is acting suspiciously. Or a drug store owner to sell spray paint to kids dressed like antifa after a rash of vandalism in the area.

His business, his rules. He reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.

No. They are required to treat emergencies but they aren’t required to treat everyone or every life threatening condition. Doctors openly refuse to treat certain lifestyles that are behavior based or refuse to do certain procedures all the time . In part because people can’t shop around for another doctor in an emergency.
Can a doctor refuse someone because of their race? No. But that’s under equal protection by accepting that license, Medicare/Medicaid etc under federal law. Most of those EEO stuff is under state law.

 

[8w7]

No. They are required to treat emergencies but they aren’t required to treat everyone or every life threatening condition. Doctors openly refuse to treat certain lifestyles that are behavior based or refuse to do certain procedures all the time . In part because people can’t shop around for another doctor in an emergency.
Can a doctor refuse someone because of their race? No. But that’s under equal protection by accepting that license, Medicare/Medicaid etc under federal law. Most of those EEO stuff is under state law.

Again. You still don’t get. They are required to treat emergencies because that’s what a lawmaker decided and that’s the way it is against private property rights.

But it shouldn’t be so. If a doctor that had his business trashed by antifa in the past had another antifa member at the next protest rushed into his office because he blew his hand up with an explosive, he should be able to refuse to treat him. Emergency or not.

Why? Because it’s his business. You still can’t get over the “That’s the way it is because the law says so.“

It seems like it’s a programming hard wired into you that cannot be broken.

 

[8w7]

I can buy that. But in a public place It gives authority of your rights to somebody selling gay cakes. I dunno, It doesn't seem right.

Seeming right has nothing to do with anything. It’s what it is.

To me it doesn’t seem right that you can have freedom of speech to be able to harass a Supreme Court Justice outside their home instead of their place of work but that’s the way it is according to the constitution.

The street outside their home is public.

 

[8w7]

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You want your gay cake and eat it too.

Not sure what you are trying to insinuate but okay. You got the point.

 

[GOPerfect]

So they can deny someone because they are Jewish black or Mexican?

Should be, yes/.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Is it bad that I actually genuinely believe NYs old system was one of the best going


CCers were able to carry just about anywhere. If the property owner realized you were carrying and didn't want you to do so they had every right to ask you to leave their property and you had to comply. People always have the choice to choose where to spend money and what establishments to support, but the "default condition" was to give rights to the gun owners but also balancing the rights of private property..



Once again, NY ruins a good thing.

 

[Truebeliever]

Again. You still don’t get. They are required to treat emergencies because that’s what a lawmaker decided and that’s the way it is against private property rights.

But it shouldn’t be so. If a doctor that had his business trashed by antifa in the past had another antifa member at the next protest rushed into his office because he blew his hand up with an explosive, he should be able to refuse to treat him. Emergency or not.

Why? Because it’s his business. You still can’t get over the “That’s the way it is because the law says so.“

It seems like it’s a programming hard wired into you that cannot be broken.

He can. That’s decision based on the person’s behavior . He just has to render enough care that he doesn’t bleed out then kick him to the curb by calling EMS to take him away. Every few exemptions. Washington DC is one place that he couldn’t do that .
By your measure, Mastercard could deny purchases of things their politics disagree with like gun stores or ammo too huh? You could be denied home heating oil because they don’t like your Race, religion or that you are a gun owner.

 

[dsdmmat]

I can buy that. But in a public place It gives authority of your rights to somebody selling gay cakes. I dunno, It doesn't seem right.

Businesses are open to the public but they are private entities. Most business owners just want to conduct business and not have anything to do with politics in their place of business.

The government telling them in a law they have to post a sign saying guns welcome here or their customers can be arrested for the simple crime of exercising their right to concealed carry is wrong on so many levels.

 

[Truebeliever]

Again. You still don’t get. They are required to treat emergencies because that’s what a lawmaker decided and that’s the way it is against private property rights.

But it shouldn’t be so. If a doctor that had his business trashed by antifa in the past had another antifa member at the next protest rushed into his office because he blew his hand up with an explosive, he should be able to refuse to treat him. Emergency or not.

Why? Because it’s his business. You still can’t get over the “That’s the way it is because the law says so.“

It seems like it’s a programming hard wired into you that cannot be broken.

It’s more than business. It’s because the “ customer” in this case can’t find an reasonable alternative.
Deprivated indifference charge can be anyone to a point.
I do get your point. I also know what it’s like to be put in that position of being denied service for nothing you personally did or had a part of.
It can and does create any uneven playing field for people to compete for resources and opportunities.

 

[8w7]

He can. That’s decision based on the person’s behavior . He just has to render enough care that he doesn’t bleed out then kick him to the curb by calling EMS to take him away. Every few exemptions. Washington DC is one place that he couldn’t do that .
By your measure, Mastercard could deny purchases of things their politics disagree with like gun stores or ammo too huh? You could be denied home heating oil because they don’t like your Race, religion or that you are a gun owner.

Yes. Mastercard should be able to. It’s their money. But the way capitalism works, another company will take up their loss.

 

[spat]

He can. That’s decision based on the person’s behavior . He just has to render enough care that he doesn’t bleed out then kick him to the curb by calling EMS to take him away. Every few exemptions. Washington DC is one place that he couldn’t do that .
By your measure, Mastercard could deny purchases of things their politics disagree with like gun stores or ammo too huh? You could be denied home heating oil because they don’t like your Race, religion or that you are a gun owner.

Can't they now ?

"Gun owner" is not a protected class.

If Master card decides to cut off everyone who ever bought something from a gun retailer, who's going to stop them ?

You going to sue them ? What for ?

They have no obligation to continue to do business with you.

And even if they *did* have a legal obligation, how hard would it be for them to find some convenient excuse to cut you off if they really wanted to ?

 

[holdover]

Not sure what you are trying to insinuate but okay. You got the point.

Its called a joke.

 

[holdover]

Businesses are open to the public but they are private entities. Most business owners just want to conduct business and not have anything to do with politics in their place of business.

The government telling them in a law they have to post a sign saying guns welcome here or their customers can be arrested for the simple crime of exercising their right to concealed carry is wrong on so many levels.

whoaaaa! Denying anyone entry for what ever reason is a Giant leap into politics. You just walked though the door.

Nobody said anything about posting a sign. The law actually states you have the right to self defense. It doesn't state there are exceptions when you go someplace, which is what We are arguing about after all , The limitations of the right to self defense.

 

[holdover]

Seeming right has nothing to do with anything. It’s what it is.

Thats correct, another way to say it would be my understanding of ... Im not stating a fact , just a perception

 

[Darth]

Is it bad that I actually genuinely believe NYs old system was one of the best going


CCers were able to carry just about anywhere. If the property owner realized you were carrying and didn't want you to do so they had every right to ask you to leave their property and you had to comply. People always have the choice to choose where to spend money and what establishments to support, but the "default condition" was to give rights to the gun owners but also balancing the rights of private property..



Once again, NY ruins a good thing.

Constitutional carry is one of the best.

 

[holdover]

Should be, yes/.

So if your job decided that it needed to get of white guys because it needs more minorities , Your cool with that?

You would have supported getting rid of the Jewish problem in Germany? Im saying that because eventually, thats where with shit leads

 

[GOPerfect]

So if your job decided that it needed to get of white guys because it needs more minorities , Your cool with that?

You would have supported getting rid of the Jewish problem in Germany? Im saying that because eventually, thats where with shit leads

No, I work for the government. If I was in private business, their rules.

 

[holdover]

SO what? You mean Your OK with it for everyone else? But not yourself?

 

[Darth]

This thread is like watching a Jordan Peterson interview.

 

[Acer-m14]

As much as it is morally wrong that a doctor can refuse to treat a certain type of person

years ago i came down with a sore throat .. my family doc passed away in the 90's .. so i had to look for a doc taking new patients ..

found one in the penny saver and called and set up a appointment ..

showed up for appointment and i got a weird look from the lady at the desk ..

the Doc is only taking new OBGYN patients ..

i replied .. so ?? i only have a sore throat ..

i had to go find another doc to .. they wouldn't see me ..

 

[subsonic]

Well this thread is getting out of hand.

“Doctors” are not required to provide emergency medical treatment, by the way. Emergency departments of federally funded hospitals are.

 

[Truebeliever]

Yes. Mastercard should be able to. It’s their money. But the way capitalism works, another company will take up their loss.

The problem is how it cornered a market then changed the rules . It’s limited competition.

 

[Acer-m14]

“Doctors” are not required to provide emergency medical treatment,

problem solved then ,, correct .. take care of your self .. we could free up a lot of money .. no more doctors ..

 

[Truebeliever]

Well this thread is getting out of hand.

“Doctors” are not required to provide emergency medical treatment, by the way. Emergency departments of federally funded hospitals are.

Really? Tell that the licensing division

“What is misconduct?​

Examples of medical misconduct include (but are not limited to): practicing fraudulently, practicing with gross incompetence or gross negligence; practicing while impaired by alcohol, drugs, physical or mental disability; being convicted of a crime; filing a false report; guaranteeing that treatment will result in a cure; refusing to provide services because of race, creed, color or national origin; performing services not authorized by the patient; harassing, abusing or intimidating a patient; ordering excessive tests; and abandoning or neglecting a patient in need of immediate care.”

Frequently Asked Questions

the following are questions frequently asked of the staff of the office of professional medical conduct.

www.health.ny.gov

I was told by many doctors as to why they don’t have MD plates on their cars despite better parking opportunities as a result .

 

[GOPerfect]

SO what? You mean Your OK with it for everyone else? But not yourself?

The government is bound by different rules, regulations and laws.

Sorry you do not like this, but, it is fact.

 

[Acer-m14]

NY Governor Witch just passed a new law .. all businesses will have to place this sign or you can face a felony Charge ..

 

[8w7]

The problem is how it cornered a market then changed the rules . It’s limited competition.

When there is a void, someone will fill it. They may not be as large, but there is always an alternative. We have seen that in many examples. Truth Social, Full 30, News Max, Etc.

 

[8w7]

Regarding what would happen if a business discriminated and the people had issue with it…

The Bed Bath and Beyond CEO just committed suicide due to his decision to stop selling Trump pillows.

 

[S&W Fan]

When there is a void, someone will fill it. They may not be as large, but there is always an alternative. We have seen that in many examples. Truth Social, Full 30, News Max, Etc.

This example-of social media platforms” filling the void” isn’t even remotely close to financial lending institutions.

 

[S&W Fan]

Regarding what would happen if a business discriminated and the people had issue with it…

The Bed Bath and Beyond CEO just committed suicide due to his decision to stop selling Trump pillows.

LoL, that’s so laughably wrong it’s ridiculous.