They are getting their Ass handed to them!
Things are heating up in the Donbass
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Read that and read this
NATO approves ambitious defence plans: 300,000 troops on high readiness
At a summit in Vilnius on Tuesday, the leaders of the North Atlantic Alliance agreed on new ambitious defence plans that reflect the need to combat threats such as Russia and terrorism. Source: NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg; a correspondent of European Pravda Details: As Stoltenberg...
NATO also moving to have 300k troops on high readiness alert.
Come on. You know exactly where things are going read between the lines and make a conclusion.
I think NATO will offer security guarantees to "western Ukraine" and will put up a no fly zone over some artificial boundary like the dnipo river or something similar. NATO is likely to say all the countries that had referendums to join Russia, Crimea, Donbas etc they won't touch but I am to the point I actually think NATO will come up with some cockamamie plan to get a foothold in the western half of the country.
holdover
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This clears the path to NATO entering the war if they choose to do so at some point. My guess is its leverage to bring Putin to the peace table.
Since the credibility of the west has been utterly destroyed and every promise made, broken, Its hard to imagine Putin even consider it .
If NATO steps in, it will escalate to nuclear war , no way around it Even conventional war at first will bring sub launched hypersonic cruise Missiles to NY Washington , make 911 look like a walk in the park . All for the love of Ukraine .
holdover
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Read that and read this
NATO approves ambitious defence plans: 300,000 troops on high readiness
At a summit in Vilnius on Tuesday, the leaders of the North Atlantic Alliance agreed on new ambitious defence plans that reflect the need to combat threats such as Russia and terrorism. Source: NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg; a correspondent of European Pravda Details: As Stoltenberg...news.yahoo.com
NATO also moving to have 300k troops on high readiness alert.
Come on. You know exactly where things are going read between the lines and make a conclusion.
I think NATO will offer security guarantees to "western Ukraine" and will put up a no fly zone over some artificial boundary like the dnipo river or something similar. NATO is likely to say all the countries that had referendums to join Russia, Crimea, Donbas etc they won't touch but I am to the point I actually think NATO will come up with some cockamamie plan to get a foothold in the western half of the country.
Thats kinda what Im thinking too. the 300,000 men is there to pressure Russia , I think. Not that Biden isnt stupid enough to do it , but 300,000 isnt going to be enough .Ive read there are back door negotiations with Russia right now.
holdover
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Pretty much. I Know I aint gonna get nothing out of it
It just sucks all around. It's a shitty situation and the regular people in all the countries are going to be the ones suffering for the evil psychopathic elites
holdover
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On August 2, 1990, Iraq invaded the independent nation of Kuwait. Within 5 days the United States began to deploy troops to the region. Ultimately, in response to United Nations Resolution 678, a coalition of 41 countries mobilized a force of almost 1 million soldiers, 700,000 of whom were U.S. troops. (See Appendix A for a list of participating countries and numbers of troops.)
How many soldiers did Germany have against Russia?
For the campaign against the Soviet Union, the Germans allotted almost 150 divisions containing a total of about three million men. Among those units were 19 panzer divisions, and in total the Barbarossa force had about 3,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery pieces, and 2,500 aircraft.
How many soldiers did Germany have against Russia?
For the campaign against the Soviet Union, the Germans allotted almost 150 divisions containing a total of about three million men. Among those units were 19 panzer divisions, and in total the Barbarossa force had about 3,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery pieces, and 2,500 aircraft.
spat
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Won't be NATO.
It would be another "coalition of the willing" like they put together for Desert Storm.
You don't need NATO, you just need it's bigger members. Nobody actually gives a shit what Greece, Turkey, etc want to do.
holdover
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Probably right. The NATO thing may just be a pressure tactic
holdover
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Do Ya think the west will really do it?
spat
.950 JDJ
I think we're so close to "no fly zones" and that whole "we're not at war, just doing humanitarian police work" bullshit that I can smell it.
holdover
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Yeah,
It wont end well .
It wont end well .
Sadly yes I do.
My opinion has evolved over time. I used to think the west was genuinely outraged and if so, the logical course of action for a normal person would be to seek peace.
Nope. Not our psychopathic leaders. They WANT this to keep going. They want to use Ukrainian flesh to pay the price to weaken the eastern bloc/brics/Russia and buy US weapons to do so. I realized to them it's the perfect racket. They don't want it to end. It serves their insane interests more to keep the war going or to expand it than seeking peace does.
holdover
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Well theres still some hope, because both sides want to avert a nuclear war. neither side wants that. BUt How far can you push the other guy before one of them swings
100% I'm Expecting almost any hour or day they will announce "together with our partners we stand with Ukraine and want to seek a peaceful settlement to this conflict we are going to establish a no fly zone over the western half of Ukraine to allow unfettered humanitarian aid assistance blah blah blah. Literally I can see that speech any hour now. They have been slow playing their poker hand for a long time and it's almost time to call, the turn happend and the river is next. They are going to have to call or fold. We know what they're going to do.
holdover
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That could cause an economic collapse , What would happen then?
, Makes ya wonder.
, Makes ya wonder.
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Russia can hit any target in Ukraine without its airplanes entering airspace over Ukraine. No fly zone will be an escalation without benefit.
www.rt.com
Russia now ‘mass producing’ hypersonic missiles – Rostec
Rostec Deputy has assessed the state of development of the Kinzhal hypersonic missile
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Russia - Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance
Overview of Capabilities As the heir to the Soviet nuclear arsenal, Russia deploys the largest and most diverse nuclear missile force in the world. Reports indicate that Russia plans to spend 25% of its $560 billion budget for military modernization on upgrading its aging nuclear forces. [1]...
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Unless those "conditions" include sending all evidence of the current administration's corruption, money laundering, illegal bioweapon research, and pay-for-play strong-arming, and the removal of the Biden puppet, forget it.
If Ukraine wants American blood to help defend it, then Americans want blood, too.
MothMan
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Zelensky is definitely losing it. Chronic drug use, pressure and realization how he was played by the West are taking their toll. He has been lashing out at a number of world leaders who are on the Ukrainian side for not doing enough. The latest was in Bulgaria.
He is turning into liability for the West.
He is turning into liability for the West.
Vapor
.308 Win
Right, and in the second world war we had about 16 million men in the armed forces.
Nothing is the same as it was then.
holdover
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over the course of the war not at one time
The point was, 300,000 men isnt going to be enough to stop Russia .
Its enough to stop them from going further than Ukraine , but not kick them out.
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