Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[holdover]

As Biden pointed out today: why would Ukraine choose now with 100k+ troops on the border to start acting this way?

. I can come up with a few different hypothesis , none of which is provable .

The end game is to crack the back of the Russian economy , possibly fragmenting Russia into different states . There needs to be a reason for those harsh sacntions that can be justified

 

[Mosinitis]

Or this possibility: western intelligence is correct and Russia has now engaged in false flags.

As Biden pointed out today: why would Ukraine choose now with 100k+ troops on the border to start acting this way?

I know you’ll never admit it but putin is a piece of shit and the world will be better the day he is no longer in it. He has political opponents imprisoned and/or killed. Hopefully somebody gives him a special cup of tea some day, too: karma.

Ukraine knows, Russia is less likely to respond militarily in Donbass, because it will jeopardize Russia's negotiations with the West over NATO expansion and jeopardize opening of Northstream 2 pipeline.

Putin is one of the greatest statesmen of our time, but anyone who stands in the way of US foreign policy is labeled an evil dictator. You would be hard pressed to find an example where it wasn't so.

 

[holdover]

Russia knows it cannot beat the 23 nations of NATO. They dont want a war which would turn nuclear . BUt if it can be taunted into a prolonged guerrlia war in the Ukraine it would cripple thier economy over the long haul , especially with the sanctions ,

 

[ManualF150]

Major Ukraine gas pipeline hit by blast

A major pipeline in Ukraine carrying gas from Russia to the rest of Europe is hit by an explosion, with Ukraine calling it a possible "terrorist attack".

www.bbc.com

 

[Acer-m14]

Major Ukraine gas pipeline hit by blast

A major pipeline in Ukraine carrying gas from Russia to the rest of Europe is hit by an explosion, with Ukraine calling it a possible "terrorist attack".

www.bbc.com

 

[Blimey]

Ukraine knows, Russia is less likely to respond militarily in Donbass, because it will jeopardize Russia's negotiations with the West over NATO expansion and jeopardize opening of Northstream 2 pipeline.

Putin is one of the greatest statesmen of our time, but anyone who stands in the way of US foreign policy is labeled an evil dictator. You would be hard pressed to find an example where it wasn't so.

You would apologize for him all the way to Kiev, justifying what is a simple imperialistic invasion the entire time.

if countries want to join nato it’s their choice.

Putin has small man syndrome. He knows Russia is a laughing stock (the illusions of it offering a fair alternative to the west obliterated when the Soviet union died) and he’s still sore over the Cold War. That’s all he ever has been. He can’t get over it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Regardless if any of this is true fact or false flag makes no difference.

We are all on the brink of a serious war.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Major Ukraine gas pipeline hit by blast

A major pipeline in Ukraine carrying gas from Russia to the rest of Europe is hit by an explosion, with Ukraine calling it a possible "terrorist attack".

www.bbc.com

Some parallels there. It's a good read.

 

[holdover]

Regardless if any of this is true fact or false flag makes no difference.

We are all on the brink of a serious war.

I had my doubts, But the stuff Im seeing in the Donbass right now is concerning. the Olympics end today also .Russians got a new batch of Chechen's on the border too

 

[Mosinitis]

You would apologize for him all the way to Kiev, justifying what is a simple imperialistic invasion the entire time.

if countries want to join nato it’s their choice.

Putin has small man syndrome. He knows Russia is a laughing stock (the illusions of it offering a fair alternative to the west obliterated when the Soviet union died) and he’s still sore over the Cold War. That’s all he ever has been. He can’t get over it.

Putin will not accept double standards or Anglo-Saxon supremacy. This is what drives anti-Putin hysteria in the West.

 

[pjzwtl]

Either way it’s comforting to know our demented and worthless commander in chief will make the right call If only he got his 10%

 

[Blimey]

Putin will not accept double standards or Anglo-Saxon supremacy. This is what drives anti-Putin hysteria in the West.

I’m just not wired to worship humans. I can’t do it. This is why it’s easy to point out the flaws when I see them.

 

[Mosinitis]

I’m just not wired to worship humans. I can’t do it. This is why it’s easy to point out the flaws when I see them.

I think what you have is a leader envy. Boris Johnson is a clown and Mrs. Truss is a candidate for Nobel Prize in ignorance and stupidity.

 

[Mosinitis]

For those who haven't heard. During the recent visit to Moscow British foreign minister Liz Truss sat down with Russian foreign minister Lavrov to negotiate NATO's future and Ukrainian conflict. During negotiations she protested Russian control of two major Russian cities Rostov and Voronezh embarrassing British ambassador.
People who are trying to control the world should at least look at the fucking map now and then.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

For those who haven't heard. During the recent visit to Moscow British foreign minister Liz Truss set down with Russian foreign minister Lavrov to negotiate NATO's future and Ukrainian conflict. During negotiation's she protested Russian control of two major Russian cities Rostov and Voronezh embarrassing British ambassador.
People who are trying to control the world should at least look at the fucking map now and then.

To be fair, the country she came from has given up control of London, so there's that.

 

[spat]

Putin will not accept double standards or Anglo-Saxon supremacy. This is what drives anti-Putin hysteria in the West.

He'd better learn how.

He cannot fight the west and win.

He may get away with taking
Ukraine, but if he does it will only be because we do not care enough to do anything about it.

 

[holdover]

The west wants him to take Ukraine, If they sacrifice Ukraine they can issue back breaking sanctions and get Russia involved a costly guerrilla war that will break thier economy over time. With no nuclear war. All Russia is asking for is a buffer zone from NATO forces . Like she has had for years. When Georgia wanted to join NATO, Russia was forced to invade to keep that buffer zone .

Same deal with North Korea. when US forces beat the North Koreans into submission they were far past the 38th Parrall, and were on the border with China on the yellow river. China was forced to attack US forces because having them on thier border was unacceptable .N. Korea was thier buffer zone.

Thats why the US never invaded N Vietnam. because the Chinese would enter the war if they did.


Its hard for me to see Russia taking the bait at this point. I think Ukraine may force the Issue by moving against the Crimea .

One thing is for certain, If Russia attacks , it will be unmistakable. How many aircraft have been shot down so far? 0 How many casualties so far? a couple. Somehow the Russians managed to bomb an empty nursery with todays weapons? Not unless it was right next door to a legitimate target. Theres a lot of bullshit going on now , its hard to determine what is legit. but If we use a little common sense , We can see some of it , for what it is.

 

[holdover]

?????????

 

[spat]

If you do not want your neighbors to noin NATO, invading one of them is probably the worst way to do it.

"Gee, Russia invaded X, and nobody did anything because they weren't part of NATO. Maybe we should join before they decide to invade us..."


I know if I thought I was on the menu, I'd be joining NATO ASAFP.

 

[Mosinitis]

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There are hundreds of smart phone videos of Ukrainian shelling of Donbass. Western media can't hide it. They do report it once in a while just to claim it was reported. The focus and volume of the reporting is on Ukrainian side. Just like it was done in Yugoslavia against the Serbs. In addition to Ukrainian regular army, there are all kinds of riff raff from around the world and the U.S. who are looking for adventure. They just love to practice their mortar and marksmanship skills on whoever they can target, including civilians. This has been going on there for 8 years, it just escalated recently.

 

[holdover]

Listen, whats happening here is a Ukrainian invasion of Ukraine. For all intent's and purpose It looks like the Ukrainian army is moving on the Russian civilian occupied Donbass. The expected result could be a full scale attack on Ukraine by the Russians , So I guess Biden was right after all.

 

[holdover]

Russia, Ukraine: Donbas Separatists Order Evacuation of Civilians to Russia​

Feb 18, 2022 | 22:12 GMT



The leaders of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics claimed that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will soon order an invasion of the Russian-occupied separatist regions and ordered a mass evacuation of women, children and the elderly from the Donbas, Reuters reported Feb. 18....

Yep, no doubt they would like the Crimea back too.

Russia, Ukraine: Donbas Separatists Order Evacuation of Civilians to Russia | RANE

The leaders of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics claimed that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will soon order an invasion of the Russian-occupied separatist regions and ordered a mass evacuation of women, children and the elderly from the Donbas, Reuters reported Feb. 18.

worldview.stratfor.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Listen, whats happening here is a Ukrainian invasion of Ukraine. For all intent's and purpose It looks like the Ukrainian army is moving on the Russian civilian occupied Donbass. The expected result could be a full scale attack on Ukraine by the Russians , So I guess Biden was right after all.

Russia should get its military out of Russia and stop threatening Ukraine by setting up field hospitals on Russia's territory, but since Rostov and Voronezh are not Russia, I guess it's ok.

 

[holdover]

Looks to me like the UK army is going to move in. Hopefully the response to this from Russia would be local only. just in that region demonstrating only a defensive nature. And not a full scall attack on Ukraine.

 

[holdover]

Looks like this might happen pretty soon

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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Some parallels there. It's a good read.

Loved it

 

[Blimey]

I think what you have is a leader envy. Boris Johnson is a clown and Mrs. Truss is a candidate for Nobel Prize in ignorance and stupidity.

Leader envy lol

I’ve made it clear many times I think Putin is a corrupt piece of shit. Why would I want a corrupt piece of shit as my leader?

 

[Blimey]

The west wants him to take Ukraine, If they sacrifice Ukraine they can issue back breaking sanctions and get Russia involved a costly guerrilla war that will break thier economy over time. With no nuclear war. All Russia is asking for is a buffer zone from NATO forces . Like she has had for years. When Georgia wanted to join NATO, Russia was forced to invade to keep that buffer zone .

Same deal with North Korea. when US forces beat the North Koreans into submission they were far past the 38th Parrall, and were on the border with China on the yellow river. China was forced to attack US forces because having them on thier border was unacceptable .N. Korea was thier buffer zone.

Thats why the US never invaded N Vietnam. because the Chinese would enter the war if they did.


Its hard for me to see Russia taking the bait at this point. I think Ukraine may force the Issue by moving against the Crimea .

One thing is for certain, If Russia attacks , it will be unmistakable. How many aircraft have been shot down so far? 0 How many casualties so far? a couple. Somehow the Russians managed to bomb an empty nursery with todays weapons? Not unless it was right next door to a legitimate target. Theres a lot of bullshit going on now , its hard to determine what is legit. but If we use a little common sense , We can see some of it , for what it is.

All I want is a lambo. Tough shit for both of us.

russia doesn’t nor should it get to decide other countries cannot join nato.

And in any case that ship has sailed. NATO is up against its borders already.

Putin needs to man up and move on.

 

[Blimey]

If you do not want your neighbors to noin NATO, invading one of them is probably the worst way to do it.

"Gee, Russia invaded X, and nobody did anything because they weren't part of NATO. Maybe we should join before they decide to invade us..."


I know if I thought I was on the menu, I'd be joining NATO ASAFP.

Saw a poll of now vs a decade back and Ukrainian opinion of Russia has gone massively down. If Putin invades Ukraine any of the other nato countries over there will be clamoring for more weapons.

 

[pjzwtl]

Leader envy lol

Why would I want a corrupt piece of shit as my leader?

You do