Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[tirwin1]

It is official - we have no "offensive" biological weapons labs in ukraine:

Pentagon Clarifies, No "Offensive" Biologic Weapons in Ukraine Bio-Labs Where U.S. Defense Dept Was Working - The Last Refuge

Every time the U.S. government attempts to clarify the biolabs in Ukraine, they end up making things less clear. In the most recent example, Deborah Rosenbaum, the assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, told the House subcommittee on Intelligence...

theconservativetreehouse.com

But no one ever asked if we had "defensive" weapons labs.

 

[Dr. Evil]

It is official - we have no "offensive" biological weapons labs in ukraine:

Pentagon Clarifies, No "Offensive" Biologic Weapons in Ukraine Bio-Labs Where U.S. Defense Dept Was Working - The Last Refuge

Every time the U.S. government attempts to clarify the biolabs in Ukraine, they end up making things less clear. In the most recent example, Deborah Rosenbaum, the assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, told the House subcommittee on Intelligence...

theconservativetreehouse.com

But no one ever asked if we had "defensive" weapons labs.

Sometimes less is more. They should just keep their pie holes shut. Every time they open them they look more pathetic if that's even possible.

 

[Defilade]

HRC PANIC!

Hillary Clinton says the United States needs to “double down” on our efforts to support Ukraine against Putin and then goes on to say that we should not let Russia back into the “New World Order”, as Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd put it.

These globalists are so desperate right now that they’ve been forced to discuss this stuff openly.

They have no choice.

They can no longer operate in the dark.

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[spat]

It is official - we have no "offensive" biological weapons labs in ukraine:

Pentagon Clarifies, No "Offensive" Biologic Weapons in Ukraine Bio-Labs Where U.S. Defense Dept Was Working - The Last Refuge

Every time the U.S. government attempts to clarify the biolabs in Ukraine, they end up making things less clear. In the most recent example, Deborah Rosenbaum, the assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, told the House subcommittee on Intelligence...

theconservativetreehouse.com

But no one ever asked if we had "defensive" weapons labs.

We also have defensive SLBMs floating around in defensive submarines too.

It's distinction without a difference.

 

[tirwin1]

We also have defensive SLBMs floating around in defensive submarines too.

It's distinction without a difference.

Precisely. More word games from official government sources.

 

[tirwin1]

I've mentioned the analyst Peter Zeihan before. Here he is interviewed and he talks about the war in Ukraine. The interesting part is at the 17:25 mark. He says what prompted the russian action was that in November 2021 we gave the ukrainians permission to use US weapons against the russians in the eastern sections of their country. That is when the russian troop buildup began. I have not seen anyone else make this claim.


In another interview he justifies this action by arguing the only thing that would calm the russians is if all of the neighboring countries and most of eastern europe essentially let russia dictate their defense and security policies to a pro-russia stance. Since that was never going to happen a conflict was inevitable as the russians would look to push their border westward to make their country more defensible.


In the second interview his forecast for the impact of the war on the rest of the world is dire. He predicts up to 2 billion people face severe food shortages and famine because of the disruption of the wheat exports from russian and ukraine.

 

[holdover]

CNN said Its just a land grab and that he wants to invade Poland and Europe next. They also said he told his military to kill all civilians , mostly school children and old folks homes and he is going to use Nukes, bio, chemical weapons any day now.

 

[Blimey]

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You’ve always been courteous, so I choose my words carefully and pull my punches.

I have read your posts here for years. That you still support and embrace this invasion now makes me conclude you are nothing but trash. As the Russians have left I’ve now seen many pictures/vids of civilians shot with hands tied behind their backs. And towns obliterated.

I am proud that my tax money, and your tax money, goes directly toward the killing of the Russian fascists invading Ukraine.

Accordingly, I am blocking you and this is my last post directly to you.

 

[Dr. Evil]

CNN said Its just a land grab and that he wants to invade Poland and Europe next. They also said he told his military to kill all civilians , mostly school children and old folks homes and he is going to use Nukes, bio, chemical weapons any day now.

I'll give them this. CNN is consistent.

 

[Mosinitis]

You’ve always been courteous, so I choose my words carefully and pull my punches.

I have read your posts here for years. That you still support and embrace this invasion now makes me conclude you are nothing but trash. Wretched and vile. As the Russians have left I’ve now seen many pictures/vids of civilians shot with hands tied behind their backs. And towns obliterated.

Accordingly, I am blocking you and this is my last post directly to you. You are of zero value.

Russia denies Ukraine war-crimes allegations

Russian military has dismissed allegations of committing war crimes in the Ukrainian town of Bucha outside Kiev

www.rt.com

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

CNN (probably): Zelenskyy Style Safehouse Destroyed By Nearly Russian Arson. US Promises Aid, Eventually - Sanctions Nearby Gas Stations.

Possible arson at Wawarsing Ukrainian camp under investigation

Friday, around 1:50 p.m., members of the Ulster County Sheriff’s Office were called to a fully-developed structure fire at 8853 Route 209 in Wawarsing.

www.news10.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Russians are not going to let this go. Faked war crimes were used as a pretext to destroy Yugoslavia.

Russia calls Security Council meeting over Bucha

Moscow has demanded a meeting of the UN Security Council after Ukraine accused Russian troops of killing scores of civilians outside Kiev

www.rt.com

 

[tirwin1]

You’ve always been courteous, so I choose my words carefully and pull my punches.

I have read your posts here for years. That you still support and embrace this invasion now makes me conclude you are nothing but trash. As the Russians have left I’ve now seen many pictures/vids of civilians shot with hands tied behind their backs. And towns obliterated.

I am proud that my tax money, and your tax money, goes directly toward the killing of the Russian fascists invading Ukraine.

Accordingly, I am blocking you and this is my last post directly to you.

The Russians have undoubtedly killed many civilians but I don't trust a single video that originates from the Ukrainians. They clearly want NATO to join the war. I would not put anything past them, including faking videos to generate maximum outrage in the west.

 

[1341]

The Russians have undoubtedly killed many civilians but I don't trust a single video that originates from the Ukrainians. They clearly want NATO to join the war. I would not put anything past them, including faking videos to generate maximum outrage in the west.

Can't have it both ways, many dead civilians or fake videos, which is it?

 

[holdover]

I'll give them this. CNN is consistent.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

 

[GOPerfect]

Can't have it both ways, many dead civilians or fake videos, which is it?

Both can be accurate.

Lots of dead people in war.

Lots of bullshit videos coming out of the area.

 

[spat]

You’ve always been courteous, so I choose my words carefully and pull my punches.

I have read your posts here for years. That you still support and embrace this invasion now makes me conclude you are nothing but trash. As the Russians have left I’ve now seen many pictures/vids of civilians shot with hands tied behind their backs. And towns obliterated.

I am proud that my tax money, and your tax money, goes directly toward the killing of the Russian fascists invading Ukraine.

Accordingly, I am blocking you and this is my last post directly to you.

I don't trust any of the reporting about war crimes, from either side. Everything is now assumed to be someone's propaganda until proven otherwise

But I don't get to wound up about "war crimes" to begin with.

The invasion was completely unjustified, that makes everything the Russians are doing in Ukraine a war crime. Hell, the war itself is a crime.

I especially like the fact that Putin is acting all indignant over some fuel depot getting blown up while at the same time his troops are rampaging all over the countryside.

While I do have some sympathy for the poor Russian conscripts dragged into this, at this point the Ukrainians would be fully justified in raping and pillaging their way to Moscow like a modern William Tecumseh Sherman.

Hell, they would be justified in using the nukes they foolishly gave up in exchange for promises from Russia and the US that their sovereignty would be respected.

Nukes will be respected, as for government promises, ask the Indians.

 

[MothMan]

But not a peep about the 300 fatal overdoes, every 24 hours, by 18 - 45 year old US citizens. Mostly dying from the Chinese manufactured fentanyl that is smuggled across our southern border by the cartels. That will be over 100,000 American deaths this year. WE ARE BEING INVADED!!

So when this issue is addressed and corrected I will pay attention to Russia/Ukraine. Until then I don't care how many bodies are found in graves.

 

[SonOfSun]

But not a peep about the 300 fatal overdoes, every 24 hours, by 18 - 45 year old US citizens. Mostly dying from the Chinese manufactured fentanyl that is smuggled across our southern border by the cartels. That will be over 100,000 American deaths this year. WE ARE BEING INVADED!!

So when this issue is addressed and corrected I will pay attention to Russia/Ukraine. Until then I don't care how many bodies are found in graves.

While I agree the fentanyl issue definitely needs to be addressed it's not exactly comparable. Nobody is forcing anyone to take fentanyl. Soldiers aren't bombing towns with it and force injecting people or something... people are doing it to themselves.

I reject the idea that until one issue is addressed that people shouldn't care about other issues at all. I'm not up here saying that until child trafficking is stopped I don't care about murder at all. We can tackle both at once, ya know?

 

[Celt]

I just want to add one thought about biolabs.

To me, its no different then having nukes. If our enemies have nukes then we need nukes, if our enemies have bionlabs then we need them too, and I hope our stuff is more advanced.

Its a shame we have to have such terrible things, but humans can be terrible creatures and there are diabolocal people in the world.

I see many people that are feeling some sort of way because we have biolabs in Ukraine, Im not so hothered about this.

My biggest gripe is the insane corruption of governments. Under Trump I had some faith, under leftists I have zero faith in our own govt.

Edit: it was pointed out by @holdover that we had signed treaties to not have bio weapons, if thats the case I can see why people would be upset.

 

[GOPerfect]

Curious to hear that Poland is begging the US for Nukes to be placed in their country.

 

[Blimey]

The Russians have undoubtedly killed many civilians but I don't trust a single video that originates from the Ukrainians. They clearly want NATO to join the war. I would not put anything past them, including faking videos to generate maximum outrage in the west.

Yes they do want that. And I would not put it past them to fake videos.

It also does not mean every video from ukraine is fake.

All the western news is now picking up on this and they are not relying on pics they see on twitter. They have their own journalists in country reporting with their eyes. Professional journalists with years of experience in war zones, e.g. this video:


There is now no doubt that russia has conducted extensive ethnic cleansing in ukraine. Since they got their asses handed to them and have completely retreated from the north all of their carnage is there for everyone to see.

Biden has called for putin to stand trial for war crimes.

Russia is very wrong if it thinks it can conduct large scale ethnic cleansing and get away with it. If they keep fucking around they are going to find out. Europe will not stand by indefinitely without responding militarily. If ukranians with javelins can school them wait until F35s are overhead.

 

[holdover]

I just want to add one thought about biolabs.

To me, its no different then having nukes. If our enemies have nukes then we need nukes, if our enemies have bionlabs then we need them too, and I hope our stuff is more advanced.

Then We shouldn't sign treaty's saying that we wont produce them. I have a problem with that. Our word is now shit, promises mean nothing, and world sees that now. We lose power to negotiate because We cant be trusted. The world sees us as backstabbing liars , and they're right.

If we want to keep up with the Jones then don't go signing treaties and turn around and do it behind everyone's back. Thats a scumbag move.

These are the kinds of things that can break alliance's with other country's . If your going to do it do it. dont lie to the public and other country's .

Credibility, can;t be bought, it has to be earned,

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes they do want that. And I would not put it past them to fake videos.

It also does not mean every video from ukraine is fake.

All the western news is now picking up on this and they are not relying on pics they see on twitter. They have their own journalists in country reporting with their eyes. Professional journalists with years of experience in war zones, e.g. this video:


There is now no doubt that russia has conducted extensive ethnic cleansing in ukraine. Since they got their asses handed to them and have completely retreated from the north all of their carnage is there for everyone to see.

Biden has called for putin to stand trial for war crimes.

Russia is very wrong if it thinks it can conduct large scale ethnic cleansing and get away with it. If they keep fucking around they are going to find out. Europe will not stand by indefinitely without responding militarily. If ukranians with javelins can school them wait until F35s are overhead.

I do not believe, what is happening in The Ukraine, would be considered by many to be Ethnic Cleansing.

What makes something an ethnic cleansing?


“Ethnic cleansing” has been defined as the attempt to get rid of (through deportation, displacement or even mass killing) members of an unwanted ethnic group in order to establish an ethnically homogeneous geographic area.

 

[holdover]

Curious to hear that Poland is begging the US for Nukes to be placed in their country.

After watching the results in Ukraine, you have to ask why in the world would they want that? Russia isnt going anywhere for a long long time

If you ask me, its NATO playing games with some one else's country. I hear they were sending Poland a few thousand M1Abrams tanks .

First thing the Russians need to do is purge the military of its officer corps and build back better after Western models . They're done as a super power for a while. I expect the Chinese are not a whole hell of lot better either.

 

[GOPerfect]

I think more people should read and comprehend the history of ole Mother Russia.

@holdover , you are correct...

They are going nowhere. Many have tried in the past to end them and they have all failed. Ever since the first modern State of Russia was founded in 862 by the Great Viking, King Rurik of the Rus, many have tried and all have failed.

 

[holdover]

Yes they do want that. And I would not put it past them to fake videos.

It also does not mean every video from ukraine is fake.

All the western news is now picking up on this and they are not relying on pics they see on twitter. They have their own journalists in country reporting with their eyes. Professional journalists with years of experience in war zones, e.g. this video:

Professional journalists? Come on man, You and I both know that nothing makes it on the air unless its approved by the editor.

Doesn't matter how honest the journalists are. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

 

[Celt]

Then We shouldn't sign treaty's saying that we wont produce them. I have a problem with that. Our word is now shit, promises mean nothing, and world sees that now. We lose power to negotiate because We cant be trusted. The world sees us as backstabbing liars , and they're right.

If we want to keep up with the Jones then don't go signing treaties and turn around and do it behind everyone's back. Thats a scumbag move.

These are the kinds of things that can break alliance's with other country's . If your going to do it do it. dont lie to the public and other country's .

Credibility, can;t be bought, it has to be earned,

Fair points, I was not aware we signed treaties saying we wouldnt. I agree its not ok to break treaties we sign, if we want out of a treaty there are proper ways to do so. It does make us look bad.