Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Well this is ominous shit. If this doesn't scream "war is coming" I don't know what else does
Steal2B
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holdover
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Of course!
LOL, Come on, the concept is called time and distance, the principle doesn't change. See Napoleon, German invasion of Russia
spat
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Russia demanding a buffer zone against NATO is like Danny Devito demanding a 5 yard head start in a 100 yard dash against Usain Bolt.
It doesn’t make any difference.
prambo
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Pentagon Wants To Return Special Ops Propagandists To Ukraine
"Much further down in the article we learn the specifics of what those two top-secret programs were. One of them entailed US commandos sending Ukrainian operatives “on surreptitious reconnaissance missions in Ukraine’s east” to collect intelligence on Russia. The other entailed secretly administering online propaganda, though of course The Washington Post does not describe it as such."
"Much further down in the article we learn the specifics of what those two top-secret programs were. One of them entailed US commandos sending Ukrainian operatives “on surreptitious reconnaissance missions in Ukraine’s east” to collect intelligence on Russia. The other entailed secretly administering online propaganda, though of course The Washington Post does not describe it as such."
It might not make a difference but it certainly is in their thinking. The Warsaw pact was a deliberate set of buffer nations designed to be the first line of defense against future invasion from the west. I can see how the Russians would want to replicate something similar in today's environment.
1341
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Easier said then done. There is a reason why the Warsaw Pact fell apart and a reason why none of the eastern European countries want to replicate it.
holdover
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Sorry it .makes a huge difference. Kinda shocked ed you would even say that
spat
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Ok, explain what difference it would make in the real world.
What sort of timeline do you think a full blown NATO invasion of Russia look like with and without Ukraine as a buffer state.
Maybe a few hours difference, tops.
holdover
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No, and Im not going to try to explain military principles which are not subject to change, strategy, tactics, logistics to you .
Your not well read on the subject and it would take hours, days, of my time to explain , which You wouldn't agree with anyway.
I prefer to just disagree .
Your not well read on the subject and it would take hours, days, of my time to explain , which You wouldn't agree with anyway.
I prefer to just disagree .
spat
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I'm not sure what you think you know, but it certainly doesn't seem accurate.
I seriously doubt some in depth analysis of a conflict between Russia and NATO in 2023 is going to find some golden bullet that will allow Russia to meaningfully alter the outcome just because they get a few hundred miles more buffer.
Strategy and Tactics are pretty well understood at this point (except by Russia who keeps trying century old tactics against a modern enemy and wondering why they fail).
Assuming you don't make any absurd blunders like that, logistics is the main challenge. The logistical ability of NATO so outclasses Russia that it's ridiculous to even compare them.
Russian logistics failed miserably only a few hours drive from their border.
There is also the small matter of the scale of the militaries.
NATO defense spending is about 1.2 Trillion dollars in 2022. The entire GDP of Russia is only 1.7T
NATO GDP is 46T by the way. That's an order of magnitude greater. Canada alone has a larger GDP than Russia.
NATO has about 3.3 million active troops vs Russia's 1.15M
You can try and pretend the quality of the Russian troops is on par with NATO, it it would be a fantasy.
The fact that Russia has so utterly failed to take Ukraine, a country that has little defensive capability at all compared to NATO should make this clear.
holdover
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holdover
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You forgot a whole lot of stuff. a lot of what you said is wildly inaccurate.
holdover
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If everything you said is true, why do you believe Russia is going to invade Europe? You dont make any sense.
spat
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It didn't make any sense for them to invade Ukraine either. I didn't think they were stupid enough to do it right up until they crossed the border.
I thought they had a competent military too.
They can't invade Europe, but they can certainly cause a big mess trying.
The real danger though with a country that has a massive supply of nukes, but a Potemkin village of a conventional military is that they will pick fights they can't win, then throw a nuclear tantrum when their conventional forces evaporate.
spat
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What that I said was inaccurate?
What did I forget ?
Russia has a smaller GDP than Canada. Imagine Canada demanding a 200 mile buffer zone because they're afraid of an invasion from the US. What possible difference could that make ?
holdover
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Im just going to default here and Say I was wrong all along and your right. its far to big a of topic to go back and forth on for eternity.
prambo
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French Historian: World War III Has Already Begun
"“It is evident that the conflict, initially a limited territorial war, has evolved into a global economic confrontation between the whole West on one side, and Russia, backed by China, on the other. It has become a world war,” Todd said."
"“It is evident that the conflict, initially a limited territorial war, has evolved into a global economic confrontation between the whole West on one side, and Russia, backed by China, on the other. It has become a world war,” Todd said."
prambo
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Apologies up front for linking to Newsweek and WaPo...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...91a27eb881d0|B13E8788B44B77D2E0530100007F74EA
Russian warships armed with nuclear weapons deployed: Norway
The fear porn vid at the top of the Newsweek article is fun.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...91a27eb881d0|B13E8788B44B77D2E0530100007F74EA
Russian warships armed with nuclear weapons deployed: Norway
The fear porn vid at the top of the Newsweek article is fun.
prambo
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The Horrifying Endgame in Ukraine - Daily Reckoning
"The Biden administration has essentially turned the war in Ukraine into an existential crisis for the U.S. and NATO, when it never should have been. Ukraine has never been a vital U.S. interest. But the war is existential for Russia, and won’t give up."
"The Biden administration has essentially turned the war in Ukraine into an existential crisis for the U.S. and NATO, when it never should have been. Ukraine has never been a vital U.S. interest. But the war is existential for Russia, and won’t give up."
MothMan
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The gin up for war brought to you by heels up harris.
www.foxnews.com
Be the first one on your block to have your kid come home in a box.
US determines Russia has committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine, VP Harris says
Vice President Kamala Harris spoke at the Munich Security Conference in Germany on Saturday, where she said Russian atrocities in Ukraine must be addressed.
www.foxnews.com
Be the first one on your block to have your kid come home in a box.
I saw an interview with Stephen Kotkin from Princeton. He said the US is trying to fight a war of attrition with Russia with both hands tied behind our back.
We are not ramping up weapons production here to offset the rate of use by the Ukrainians. And the sanctions don't seem to have affected the ability of the Russians to replenish their stocks.
Makes me wonder exactly what is the end game here for the US. This seems a little like world war one where the belligerents saw no other option than to just keep the war going.
We are not ramping up weapons production here to offset the rate of use by the Ukrainians. And the sanctions don't seem to have affected the ability of the Russians to replenish their stocks.
Makes me wonder exactly what is the end game here for the US. This seems a little like world war one where the belligerents saw no other option than to just keep the war going.
Makes me wonder how they determined that. Other than outright lying like they usually do.The gin up for war brought to you by heels up harris.
US determines Russia has committed crimes against humanity in Ukraine, VP Harris says
Vice President Kamala Harris spoke at the Munich Security Conference in Germany on Saturday, where she said Russian atrocities in Ukraine must be addressed.
Be the first one on your block to have your kid come home in a box.
Sure it has. Where else is there a puppet US-backed .gov specifically set up to assist in their money laundering and germ production businesses?
This is Breaking Bad on a National level.
MothMan
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Real good flick!! It depicts the arrogant, obstinance of the aristocratic leaders to seek peace while continuing to send 100k’s of their young men to slaughter.
holdover
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Awesome!