Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Blimey]

You are wrong. These people love their country but hate what it has become. The institutions have been rotted out from within so much they no longer deserve our respect. Military - Afghanistan debacle. Fed - the practical source and immediate cause of inflation. CDC - promoting outright lies and actually financing the lab that caused the covid outbreak.

With a track record like that people are justified in their contempt for these institutions and specifically the leaders of the current administration.

The right complains about the left teaching kids in school to hate America. Meanwhile the right consumes content that already hates it. Look at tucker. He spends his focus now shitting on everything America does. This retard now thinks the us gov wanted the Ukraine war to distract from the fact covid is going away. Why is he running cover for Putin? Why is Candace doing the same?

If a person hates every American institution, hates what the country is and where it’s going, guess what…

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I can't HATE this story enough.

Zelenskyy says Ukraine still in daily talks with Russia; US journalist killed by Russian gunfire: March 13 recap

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he will continue negotiating with Russia despite escalated attacks.

www.yahoo.com

Literally hate every angle of it because as a sane person I can't fathom, why someone would use them, suggest that they know they are about to be used, nor trust any information on who actually really did it and was responsible.


These stories just keep coming out. Sooner or later chemical weapons will be used and it's going to be an epic shit show of blame and drawing in additional countries.

The worst part is Ukraine and Russian forces wear similar uniforms and drive similar vehicles. How hard would it be for each to impersonate the other. Come on.

Maybe Russia really will use them for some incoherent reason that doesn't make much sense to us, maybe Ukraine wants to kill their own citizens as sacrifices to bring in more international support. Maybe it's a separate western Intel organization organizing it because they're psychotic and controlled by war hawks.


I'm just disgusted

 

[Blimey]

No. I sided with Russia despite the propaganda. Before the war started. I wasn't biased in my assessment. It was based on National security threats and what the US would do if a block of hostile nations set up bases on our borders and promised they would never attack. I based in on the fact that this war could have been averted by NATO . That they actually wanted this war to weaken Russia , possibly cause a coup favorable to their side. Putin is a nationalist that rejects globalism .Russia is not ready to take orders from corporate whores like our leaders do.

You call the bio labs conspiracy's when you haven't seen the evidence yet. You already made up your mind. Maybe they didnt remove the evidence because they thought the war wouldn't happen or would be limited to the Donbass? Maybe they only got some it out. If you were a juror in a court, I would assume you would want to hear both sides of the story. I keep an open mind until I can hear the evidence.

I do not understand how anybody claiming to support freedom and America can ever have had any view of Putin other than that he is a pure and unadulterated cunt. He commits violence against political opponents and had already invaded Ukraine and Georgia.

There should be no surprises now about what he is doing to Ukraine. He is immoral, power hungry, and governs through fear.

 

[DoOver]

 

[Steal2B]

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Yup, a heartless greedy self centered monster but a minor league version compared to Putin. Hillary was never good enough to seal the deal when it was rigged as her turn, Hilliary's personal (unearned) wealth is dwarfed by Putin's (Hell the Clinton's wealth is dwarfed by the wealth of Putin's mistresses) and Hillary has a much lower body count than Putin to date.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Trivia! What is the largest Country on the planet?
If you guessed China you are wrong! It is Russia!
Here are her neighbors!

Kazakhstan

China

Mongolia

Ukraine

Finland

Belarus

Georgia

Azerbaijan

Estonia

Latvia

Lithuania

Abkhazia

Poland

Norway

South Ossetia

North Korea

and let's not forget the good ole USA/Alaska

 

[1341]

It's funny that the politicians or rich never volunteer to go fight or send their own boys off.

The people of the world have more in common with each other than we realize. Most country citizens just want to be left alone to live their lives and take care of their families.

Actually that is what used to happen. In the past 10 years alot of politicians and their children are joining and serving. In the past if any served they were usually republican, but now it's probably about fifty fifty. I think the democrats realized they had to add that to their playbook.
I know it's not in the infantry generally but even in the support branches in Iraq and Afghanistan you were getting shot at by someone occasionally.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Please get it over with. An EMP will double the IQ of America.

 

[DoOver]

Please get it over with. An EMP will double the IQ of America.

Que George Costanza asking George Stienbrenner for a raise Stienfeld clip...here

Hunten pequing from inside my Faraday cage...up in here.

 

[spat]

You are wrong. These people love their country but hate what it has become. The institutions have been rotted out from within so much they no longer deserve our respect. Military - Afghanistan debacle. Fed - the practical source and immediate cause of inflation. CDC - promoting outright lies and actually financing the lab that caused the covid outbreak.

With a track record like that people are justified in their contempt for these institutions and specifically the leaders of the current administration.

Throughout my gradeschool years I pledged my allegiance daily to the flag, and the republic for which it stands. Not to the government itself.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

That right there is the real supreme law of the land.

I'm afraid this country may be headed to it's second round of "irreconcilable differences".

Maybe the unending stream of Biden debacles will wake up enough people that we can avoid it. Lets hope so.

 

[spat]

The right complains about the left teaching kids in school to hate America. Meanwhile the right consumes content that already hates it. Look at tucker. He spends his focus now shitting on everything America does. This retard now thinks the us gov wanted the Ukraine war to distract from the fact covid is going away. Why is he running cover for Putin? Why is Candace doing the same?

If a person hates every American institution, hates what the country is and where it’s going, guess what…

"I love my country, but hate my government" is a common theme on the right.

It is entirely consistent.

It's people on the left that mistake the government for the country. The government is no more the country than Fauci *is* the science, or some power tripping cop is the law.

What people on the right mean when they say that, is that they love the ideal that America aspires to. Nobody thinks we don't have problems, and haven't lived up to that ideal now, or in the past. But it is the goal, the "liberty and justice for all" that people love.

That's why we like Trump so much. Not because we think he's perfect. But because he at least appears to want the same thing. The candidates the Democrats have been running lately are either bat shit crazy, or actively opposed to that ideal, or both.

 

[Blimey]

"I love my country, but hate my government" is a common theme on the right.

It is entirely consistent.

It's people on the left that mistake the government for the country. The government is no more the country than Fauci *is* the science, or some power tripping cop is the law.

What people on the right mean when they say that, is that they love the ideal that America aspires to. Nobody thinks we don't have problems, and haven't lived up to that ideal now, or in the past. But it is the goal, the "liberty and justice for all" that people love.

That's why we like Trump so much. Not because we think he's perfect. But because he at least appears to want the same thing. The candidates the Democrats have been running lately are either bat shit crazy, or actively opposed to that ideal, or both.

Anybody who doesn’t like the USA government should loathe what the Russian one is, at the deepest core of their being.

 

[tirwin1]

The right complains about the left teaching kids in school to hate America. Meanwhile the right consumes content that already hates it. Look at tucker. He spends his focus now shitting on everything America does. This retard now thinks the us gov wanted the Ukraine war to distract from the fact covid is going away. Why is he running cover for Putin? Why is Candace doing the same?

If a person hates every American institution, hates what the country is and where it’s going, guess what…

I watched Tucker's show a few nights this week. You are wrong about him shitting on everything America does. He is quite specific about his criticisms. My sense is you have not seen a complete episode. He is not "running cover" for Putin (whatever that means). He has specifically stated Putin is wrong for invading ukraine and he does not support him. But he is asking some very good questions. You are a mirror image of what you proclaim to dislike. Everything is simplistic - Putin bad, Russia bad, Ukraine good, people that question the war bad.

Tucker is absolutely correct to question if US policy pushed Putin so much he decided to invade. It doesn't justify the invasion but it should cause some re-thinking of this administration's foreign policy. Tucker is absolutely correct to question the bio-labs in Ukraine. Why so many? If we were cleaning up old soviet sites, why has it taken over 14 years and the job is still not done? If there are no dangerous pathogens why are we so concerned about the russians getting their hands on them?

 

[tirwin1]

Anybody who doesn’t like the USA government should loathe what the Russian one is, at the deepest core of their being.

And the chinese government. And the one in Belarus. And Kazakhstan. And probably dozens of others. The fact is we can't do anything about those governments.

 

[1341]

Dementia Joe's problem is that they spend the last several months basically daring Putin to invade Ukraine. While all along he believed he would use his foreign policy acumen to earn himself a Nobel peace prize. Problem was he had so screwed this country in such a short period and the normal European differing on any problem lead to the invasion. The Ukrainians realized half their country was going to be gone either way, while Putin figured he would get what he wanted sooner if he invaded.
Tucker is also right in questioning the bio labs in Ukraine but I really think those contracts will turn out to nothing more then a money slush fund for politicians and families. Government contracts are like welfare for poor people to beltway insiders.

 

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[tirwin1]

I do not understand how anybody claiming to support freedom and America can ever have had any view of Putin other than that he is a pure and unadulterated cunt. He commits violence against political opponents and had already invaded Ukraine and Georgia.

There should be no surprises now about what he is doing to Ukraine. He is immoral, power hungry, and governs through fear.

Putin can be immoral, power hungry, govern through fear AND have a legitimate concern for Nato expansion plans in ukraine. They are not mutually exclusive. Once again, that doesn't justify the invasion but to think a bad actor can only have bad motivations for all his actions is rather simplistic.

Putin knows Russia is dying. He knows his country gets weaker every year. If he wants to secure defendable borders with a future army that is smaller than what he has today then he has to act sooner rather than later. All the talk about inviting ukraine to join nato fed into his fear of the future.

 

[Mosinitis]

Brown shirt Democracy

 

[prambo]

Another Round of Ukraine Hoaxes Discovered? - The Last Refuge

And the bullshit just keeps coming.

The dynamic I see happening is that the portion of the fUSA that is cognizant of the level of propaganda, mis-, dis- and mal-information spread by the likes of CNN, The NY Slimes and Pravda on the Potomac are just not believing what is out there.

Anyone thinking that Reuters and AP aren't also propaganda organs are deluding themselves.

I believe nothing anymore unless I get links to evidence or follow the trail myself.

"Real" reporting, not propaganda will most likely get a good audience.

I need facts, not fiction, and that's all 99% of "news" organizations have been peddling since 2015, and it wasn't much better before then.

 

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[DoOver]

 

[livingston]

I watched Tucker's show a few nights this week. You are wrong about him shitting on everything America does. He is quite specific about his criticisms. My sense is you have not seen a complete episode. He is not "running cover" for Putin (whatever that means). He has specifically stated Putin is wrong for invading ukraine and he does not support him. But he is asking some very good questions. You are a mirror image of what you proclaim to dislike. Everything is simplistic - Putin bad, Russia bad, Ukraine good, people that question the war bad.

Tucker is absolutely correct to question if US policy pushed Putin so much he decided to invade. It doesn't justify the invasion but it should cause some re-thinking of this administration's foreign policy. Tucker is absolutely correct to question the bio-labs in Ukraine. Why so many? If we were cleaning up old soviet sites, why has it taken over 14 years and the job is still not done? If there are no dangerous pathogens why are we so concerned about the russians getting their hands on them?

Biolab opens in Ukraine​

by Tina Redlup on June 18, 2010​

Lugar said plans for the facility began in 2005 when he and then Senator Barack Obama entered a partnership with Ukrainian officials. Lugar and Obama also helped coordinate efforts between the U.S and Ukrainian researchers that year in an effort to study and help prevent avian flu.
U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used by bioterrorists.
The level-3 bio-safety lab, which is the first built under the expanded authority of the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program, will be used to study anthrax, tularemia and Q fever as well as other dangerous pathogens.

Biolab opens in Ukraine | Bio Prep Watch

U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used...

web.archive.org

The article, which also highlighted the work of former Senator Dick Lugar, was additionally included in Issue No. 818 of the United States Air Force (USAF) Counterproliferation Center’s Outreach Journal.
A 2011 report from the U.S. National Academy of Sciences’ Committee on Anticipating Biosecurity Challenges of the Global Expansion of High-Containment Biological Laboratories explained how the Odessa-based laboratory “is responsible for the identification of especially dangerous biological pathogens.”


A separate document detailing Ukraine’s biolab network from the BioWeapons Prevention Project outlines in greater detail the scope of pathogens the facility has conducted research with.
Among the viruses the lab studied were Ebola and “viruses of pathogencity group II by using of virology, molecular, serologica and express methods.”



Additionally, the lab provided “special training for specialists on biosafety and biosecurity issues during handling of dangerous biological pathogenic agents.”

Deleted Web Pages Show Obama Led an Effort To Build Ukraine-Based BioLab Handling “Especially Dangerous Pathogens”

A deleted web article recovered by The National Pulse reveals that former President Barack Obama spearheaded an agreement leading to the construction of biolabs handling “especially dangerous pathogens”

www.conservativenewsdaily.net

 

[Dr. Evil]

"Same playbook again. Russia will be using bioweapons they confiscated in Ukraine even though they told us there were no biolabs. That or they will cross a red line and use chemical weapons. Where did we hear this before? They're using hospitals, women, children... it's the same playbook. This is the emotional part of it. With chemical weapons, what happened in Syria? When Obama was president all he ever said was they better not cross that red line and use chemical weapons against the people of Syria. Assad better not do that. Why would Assad use chemical weapons on his own people when there's a terrorist group in his country taking over the country? Does that make any sense? It's almost like the patriots during the revolutionary war saying we're going to burn our own cities down and destroy our own people if the British forces decide to start a war with us. It makes no sense. We're seeing the same exact playbook once again."

 

[holdover]

I do not understand how anybody claiming to support freedom and America can ever have had any view of Putin other than that he is a pure and unadulterated cunt. He commits violence against political opponents and had already invaded Ukraine and Georgia.

I dont judge Putin. Putin is irrelevant. the situation is what it is.

Hitler was correct when he said that The annexing of the Ruhr vally was crippling Germanys abilty to pay reparations for WW1 and to have a decent economy for Germany.Thier economy cratered because of it. Hitler believed that Communism was a Threat to his country.

Was he wrong? No. Irrespective of who he was doesnt change the fact that Germany Got shafted after WW1.

That doesnt make me a NAZI . I want to see things through the lens of my opposition.

Then you have the United States, without congressional approval, and breaking all Domestic and international laws which we enforce on others, and commit war crimes in Syria .After A CIA backed Coup attempt failed .

Then, After being told repeatedly for years, that Ukraine will not enter NATO , They Stabbed Russia and Putin in the back. In front of the whole world , and told him to go fuck his mother .Putin said Unless he obtains written documents that Ukraine will not enter NATO he is being put into a position where he is forced to act. Instead of negociating a deal , The US told him to go fuck his mother again.

And you pat your government on the back like its some kind of achievement? These are not sports teams Right and wrong respect no flag .

 

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[ManualF150]

Might as well ban Adidas too... Russians love Adidas... aka Gopniks...

Between banning of McDonalds and Adidas, that ought to stir up the bees nest more...