Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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Blimey said:
Anybody who doesn’t like the USA government should loathe what the Russian one is, at the deepest core of their being.
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Pretty sure we do. There's only one guy on this forum who claims that he would prefer Russia, and since he's still here, I don't think he really means it.

We aren't responsible for what they are. Only for what we are, and for what we tolerate from them.

Also, we really need to clean up our own house before we start looking into Russia's internal issues.
 
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holdover said:
I dont judge Putin. Putin is irrelevant. the situation is what it is.

Hitler was correct when he said that The annexing of the Ruhr vally was crippling Germanys abilty to pay reparations for WW1 and to have a decent economy for Germany.Thier economy cratered because of it. Hitler believed that Communism was a Threat to his country.

Was he wrong? No. Irrespective of who he was doesnt change the fact that Germany Got shafted after WW1.

That doesnt make me a NAZI . I want to see things through the lens of my opposition.

Then you have the United States, without congressional approval, and breaking all Domestic and international laws which we enforce on others, and commit war crimes in Syria .After A CIA backed Coup attempt failed .

Then, After being told repeatedly for years, that Ukraine will not enter NATO , They Stabbed Russia and Putin in the back. In front of the whole world , and told him to go fuck his mother .Putin said Unless he obtains written documents that Ukraine will not enter NATO he is being put into a position where he is forced to act. Instead of negociating a deal , The US told him to go fuck his mother again.

And you pat your government on the back like its some kind of achievement? These are not sports teams Right and wrong respect no flag .
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In global geopolitics there is no right and wrong. Only winners and losers.

What do you think the notions of right and wrong would look like today if WWII had gone the other way ?


Also, Facism and Communism hate each other the way the Sunni's and the Shia hate each other. It's not because they are different. They are practically identical, and hate each other because the each claim to be the "one true path".
 
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spat said:
In global geopolitics there is no right and wrong. Only winners and losers.
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I agree with you, but credibility has political capital . If you say something , and keep your word, Your street cred jumps up . If you make rules and dont keep them , You can expect a lot less help from other countries .So when you sign a treaty banning the research of Bio weapons in your country then jump through a legal loophole saying it wasn't my country. Reguardless of what happens, other countries are not going to respect your word anymore. That hurts us politically. Like our leaders who tell us one thing and do the other, They lost the respect and credibility of the people.
 
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spat said:
Pretty sure we do. There's only one guy on this forum who claims that he would prefer Russia, and since he's still here, I don't think he really means it.

We aren't responsible for what they are. Only for what we are, and for what we tolerate from them.

Also, we really need to clean up our own house before we start looking into Russia's internal issues.
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I bet if you made a poll of who you would rather be president between Putin and Biden you would see more than one vote for Putin.
 
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Updated list of companies that have pulled out of Russia. Massive list and we all recognize the brands.

putin has indicated he supports nationalizing some of them, which is predictable. He can force McDonald’s workers to turn on the lights but he can’t force airbus to ship parts in. Western capital will eschew Russia for years after this. Their economy is done for.

som.yale.edu

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

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Blimey said:
I bet if you made a poll of who you would rather be president between Putin and Biden you would see more than one vote for Putin.
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That's more a referendum on Biden than Putin.

I bet if you did the same for Trump and Putin on half the left wing sites and they'd pick Putin too. Their irrational hatred of Trump is just that strong.

At least the reasons we hate Biden are tangible
 
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Blimey said:
Updated list of companies that have pulled out of Russia. Massive list and we all recognize the brands.

putin has indicated he supports nationalizing some of them, which is predictable. He can force McDonald’s workers to turn on the lights but he can’t force airbus to ship parts in. Western capital will eschew Russia for years after this. Their economy is done for.

som.yale.edu

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

som.yale.edu som.yale.edu
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Nothing says "never invest a dime here again" like stealing everything the last guy invested.
 
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Blimey said:
Updated list of companies that have pulled out of Russia. Massive list and we all recognize the brands.

putin has indicated he supports nationalizing some of them, which is predictable. He can force McDonald’s workers to turn on the lights but he can’t force airbus to ship parts in. Western capital will eschew Russia for years after this. Their economy is done for.

som.yale.edu

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

som.yale.edu som.yale.edu
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To be fair I’d prefer autopilot to either
 
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Blimey said:
Updated list of companies that have pulled out of Russia. Massive list and we all recognize the brands.

putin has indicated he supports nationalizing some of them, which is predictable. He can force McDonald’s workers to turn on the lights but he can’t force airbus to ship parts in. Western capital will eschew Russia for years after this. Their economy is done for.

som.yale.edu

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

som.yale.edu som.yale.edu
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Shows all the more how Nations need to make and take of their own and keep shit local.. Common Sense!! Oh, sounds like "America First" policies are in need..
 
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Today a rocket was fired on the city of Donetsk from Ukrainian Nationalist held positions. 20 civilians killed and 28 wounded including children. This is just a continuation of barbaric shelling without any military reason. Ukrainian government is killing what it claims its own people just in spite.
Just like all other such attacks before and after Feb 24th, this will be ignored by Western media.
 
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Elon Musk challenged Vladdy boy Putin to a winner take all man-to-man death match. Little Putin has been hiding in the basement Biden style so I doubt anything can come of it. If anyone is taking bets, my money is on Musk. I saw Putin's fake hockey video and Judo sparring, reminds me of John DuPont, but whimpier and sicker.

www.foxbusiness.com

Musk challenges Putin to ‘single combat’ over Ukraine, Russia responds: 'Weakling'

Tesla CEO and SpaceX founder Elon Musk challenges Russia's Putin to single combat, placing Ukraine as a wager.
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