Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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holdover said:
I suppose not. Arming and training who? Those who are willing to fight our enemy's. We dont just train anybody. The point being, The NATO considers Russia to be an enemy . You can deny it all you want , its a matter of record.
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We train militaries around the world, not always about fighting a certain enemy. Pretty sure someone looked it up here previously and could tell us how many training missions we have around the world. We sell a awful amount of military hardware everywhere around the world and they need to be trained in using it.

I don't think they considered Russia a enemy before the invasion of Ukraine, certainly a threat. Definitely not in the economic world.

If you able to see NATO's military planning section, I wouldn't be surprised to see alot of different plans on reacting to threats in the European theater. Probably one for say, Ukraine attacking say Poland or Moldava.
 
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www.the-sun.com

EU may claim to hate Putin’s war in Ukraine but it’s financing it

THE European Union’s addiction to Russian energy is directly paying for Putin’s goons to murder, torture, rape and destroy. Those mass graves in Ukraine are paid for in euros. It is immoral, it is …
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Yet EU nations have paid Russia 35BILLION euros (£29billion) for gas, oil and coal since Putin started his mad war, while giving Ukraine a lousy one billion euros (£834,000) for defence in the same period.


EU nations are — quite literally — paying for Putin’s war. :hookah:
 
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MothMan said:
Russia maybe bloodied but IMO the EU will bend because of its energy needs.

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Putin threatens to turn off Europe’s gas supply if countries won't re-pay him

VLADIMIR Putin is threatening to turn off Europe’s gas supplies today if countries refuse to pay in roubles. The move would plunge world energy supplies into chaos, spark a huge spike in prices and…
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Now show us the U.S. pipe line that we spent blood and treasure on and didn't complete.
thehill.com

America’s strategic mistake in the Mediterranean

America’s reversal on EastMed pipeline only bolsters Russia’s energy domination.
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www.theguardian.com

Syria intervention plans fuelled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concerns | Nafeez Ahmed

Nafeez Ahmed: Massacres of civilians are being exploited for narrow geopolitical competition to control Mideast oil, gas pipelines
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holdover said:
The hypocrisy is unbelievable. The US made the whole fucking western hemisphere off limits to communism as a bufferzone.

NATO maynot be 1% as aggressive but the US has sure has them beat in spades, and they pretty much run the show.

Russia was forced into a fight they didn't want or were prepared for, they were going to have to fight sooner or later, fight them there so we dont have to fight them here. ring a bell?

Look, All NATO had to say is they will not allow Ukraine into NATO in order to avoid a major war with the Russians . Simple. The same reason we dont send troops to Taiwan. Its not appeasement, its not in our best interest to provoke a major war with China.(yet)
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The idea Russia would never invade Ukraine is a fantasy. A number of people, specifically Peter Zeihan, predicted Russia would move west over a decade ago. The only question was timing. Even if the current struggle ends soon with a stalemate the Russians will always be biding their time for the next invasion. They are trying to make their western border shorter and easier to defend with their declining number of military age men. They view this as a defensive move. Ironically their actions are likely to cause the alliance of European nations that they fear.

A guarantee of non NATO affiliation might have delayed this current invasion but Putin would find another excuse to invade sooner or later.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Top Neo-Nazi commander in Ukraine killed by Russian special forces.

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Top Neo-Nazi commander killed in Ukraine – Russia

Taras Bobanich, a prominent Ukrainian nationalist figure, was killed by Russian commandos, the Russian defense ministry claimed
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Stop you Russian propagandist....

I have read a lot about people like you on this very forum.

You spew nothing but lies and hate towards the kind and friendly people of The Ukraine.

Your Pro Russia crap has no place here.

You post stories of Nazis dying by the hands of the Russians...

You lie, I seen it here, there are no Nazis in the Ukrainian Army....
 
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GOPerfect said:
Stop you Russian propagandist....

I have read a lot about people like you on this very forum.

You spew nothing but lies and hate towards the kind and friendly people of The Ukraine.

Your Pro Russia crap has no place here.

You post stories of Nazis dying by the hands of the Russians...

You lie, I seen it here, there are no Nazis in the Ukrainian Army....
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Russia is evil, Russian people who don't agree are scum, period, end of story :)
Although I was born and grew up in Ukraine, I was always referred to in this country as Russian Jew.
I am officially changing my nationality to Jewish Russian, screw the haters.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Russia is evil, Russian people who don't agree are scum, period, end of story :)
Although I was born and grew up in Ukraine, I was always referred to in this country as Russian Jew.
I am officially changing my nationality to Jewish Russian, screw the haters.
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Well, this explanation makes much more sense of why they, on this forum dislike you so much.

Their true colors appear....
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Here we go...


Breaking news

www.express.co.uk

‘Chemical weapon’ horror as Putin drops ‘poisonous substance’ on city

RUSSIAN forces have reportedly dropped a "poisonous substance" on civilians in Mariupol.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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www.newsweek.com

Ukrainian Battalion Accuses Russia of Using Chemical Weapons on Civilians

The Azov Regiment, a unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, said chemicals were of an "unknown origin" and dropped via an unmanned aerial vehicle in Mariupol.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com


Newsweek could not independently verify the claims.
 
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GOPerfect said:
www.newsweek.com

Ukrainian Battalion Accuses Russia of Using Chemical Weapons on Civilians

The Azov Regiment, a unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, said chemicals were of an "unknown origin" and dropped via an unmanned aerial vehicle in Mariupol.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com


Newsweek could not independently verify the claims.
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Each side will say the other did it.

No one will take responsibility they will each try to manipulate the circumstances and use it for their cause.

Other countries will either genuinely react or will use it as an excuse to respond whether it's a fabricated false flag or genuine.

It sucks because now this mess will get worse.

Our illegitimate president/and blinken has already said the use of chemical weapons was a red line.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Here we go...


Breaking news

www.express.co.uk

‘Chemical weapon’ horror as Putin drops ‘poisonous substance’ on city

RUSSIAN forces have reportedly dropped a "poisonous substance" on civilians in Mariupol.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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Oh isn't that convenient, just when they have the forces in Mariupol on the verge of surrender, they go ahead and invite NATO in.

Ill wait to see the pictures of Russian troops masked up there before I make a call.

Obviously, if true the Ukrainian army could respond in kind across the entire front so It would be a very good bet that the Russians are in thier MOPP gear everywhere.
 
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Dr. Evil said:
The media hasn't decided which movie they would show the scene from yet.
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It's a shame too. They're marginalizing and diminishing a really crappy situation and turning it into a pariah with being a bunch of agenda pushing try-hards.

If they were just journalists, and wanted to accurately portray the news and events there would be plenty of film to show
 
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