China cannot invade the United States. They do not have anywhere near the capability to project that kind of power. Technically their navy has more ships than ours but most of them cannot go more than 1,500 miles from their own shores. They have no practical ability to project power to the US Coast.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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96coal449
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They already have.
96coal449
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Fawk
I wasn't going to post in this thread.
Dambit!!!
I wasn't going to post in this thread.
Dambit!!!
Biden orders the US military of woke people to stand down and they hand control to China.
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China has invaded ..
spat
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Then the 100 million gun owners in the US get to enjoy a target rich environment. To which half of DC has added itself.
Lol you're sucked into it now pal
You're not thinking outside the box. You're thinking about status quo as things are today.
China already has it's tentacles firmly attached into America today.
China can build a skyscraper in a week. They can accomplish things no other country can. I'm not saying they will do things well or quality but that ability isn't replicated anywhere else in the world. Sure it might not last the test of time but they can do crazy things.
Their biggest obstacle is long distance force projection and our navy and air force stopping them.
We're about to be entering a food shortage period and china is the only country I'm aware of that has 1.5 years worth of food on hand. They can supply their military and citizens.
In 6 months after even a small war with Russia or even a limited small scale nuclear exchange our defenses would be in disarray, our command and control would be toast. Our country would be starving. Our military would be depleted of munitions and spares. Our combat readiness would be very low rates.
China's navy is already Larger than ours. It's limited to their sphere in the western Pacific now but they could expand especially if we were not stopping them. They could easily load a few hundred thousand troops, tanks, helicopters etc onto all their container ships. They can get creative. They could probably build a new class of amphibious assault ships (with stolen technology) in 6 months.
I highly doubt they could conquer all of America but they should be able to establish a west coast foothold. Hell after a few months of misery a bet a lot of people out there would welcome china as saviors they already like them now still knowing full well they are subverting us.
Just spit balling ideas out loud
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The difference is modern technology requires very little to no participation of Ukrainians. They just have to take credit. This weaponry can be guided from anywhere, even U.S. territory.
Add a little of what we are not telling to what we openly admit and draw your own conclusion.
96coal449
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What's going to happen in a few months when Sweden and Finland make a joint application to NATO?
They're already on record of saying they will and that NATO has stated they will get protection.
www.defensenews.com
www.politico.eu
They're already on record of saying they will and that NATO has stated they will get protection.
Finland and Sweden intensify talks on joint NATO application
The two countries are expected to announce a decision about joining the alliance in mid-May.
www.defensenews.com
Finland and Sweden ‘can count’ on Germany for protection and NATO membership support
Chancellor Olaf Scholz expresses support for potential membership bids by both countries.
www.politico.eu
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Not sure if you are aware that basically Finland and Sweden are members of NATO already but in signing the official paperwork. Both countries have participated in military exercises with the United States and other members of NATO for at least 20 years. Exercises that probably anticipated attacks from a certain country that is probably pretty easy to figure out.
Also I believe Finland has spent about a billion US dollars over the last 6 years purchasing US military equipment i.e. Stinger, Javelin and Harpoon missiles. F-35 fighters and guided artillery shells.
Yes I'm already aware that they are aligned with NATO but not "officially" in the alliance.
Right now they are not covered under our nuclear umbrella nor article 5. That would be the single biggest difference.
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Blimey
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USA is uninvadable. It won the geographical lottery. Amazing natural resources, shit loads of arable land (we will not go hungry and can easily feed ourselves forever), and two big ass oceans on either side, with basically a sibling to the north and then another ocean.
China is like Russia: Big and pitiful. Its military is cheap, soviet-era garbage, just like Russia's. The ass kicking russia is getting now from a nation 1/3rd its size is because of our entry level tech. Our cheap, mass produced stuff. It hasn't even seen what our navy and air force can do to it. It hasn't enjoyed flying over a patriot battery, unassailable B2s flying over moscow, carrier fleet absolutely molesting its ragtag navy, or had its laughable migs go up against f22s.
I honestly cannot believe that now, two months into Russia's historic suicide anybody has any doubts about how important quality is over quantity. The only threat russia or china pose to us is nuclear. Period, that's it.
Blimey
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You can't be serious. The only way china could launch an invasion of the usa is if the entirety of the country is reduced to ashes, at which point there is nothing to invade anyway. Meanwhile we still have nuclear subs that can snuff out beijing whenever they feel the need.
At this time in history the USA Is entirely, unequivocally uninvadable. There is no adversary that can possibly even come close to matching the USA, let alone the entire west--which has not been this unified since WW II. The idea that our military would be reduced to nothing yet another nation has the power to project across the oceans is an impossibility. And then when they get here every person still standing already has a rifle.
How can anybody at this stage doubt the superiority of western military? Russia has just blown through the best of its military fucking about in a nation 1/3 its size simply because that nation has a tiny amount of our kickass weapons. Ukraine is using our cheap, disposable shit. It hasn't even had the pleasure of seeing what our air power can do. China is no better. How many carrier fleets does it have? How many troops can it cart across the pacific? How will its migs fare against F35s?
What will happen is a lot of crying and "oh poor us the west is out to get us" whining from russia. Will amount to a pile of beans. Russia will be getting another thousand miles of NATO border whether it likes it or not.
Deplorable Me
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Have the French been tutoring the Russians on the art of war?
Tintalieau
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Did someone say its time for the purge?
spat
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No doubt there's a lot of fuckery afoot.
But that doesn't change the fact that there is no justification for the invasion, but the Ukranians are justified in doing essentially anything to repel it.
spat
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It's true.
If we wanted to we could slap a Ukranian flag on some UAVs and ship them over there.
The Ukranians wouldn't need to do much more than unbox and refuel/rearm them. Some expert pilots sitting in Montana could use them to lay waste to the Russian armor.
spat
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They are starving their citizens to death in their own capital city right now.
I can't imagine how they will fare in a real shortage.
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Yea I can't figure out wtf they're doing. That situation is beyond baffling.
People are speculating all kinds of reasons they are on hard lock down. I've read anything from social conditioning, preparation for biological war, preparing for ww3, seeing how far they can push their citizens before they revolt as a beta test....
None of it adds up. There are crazy videos out there of how bad the lockdown is. Well feel it in another 2-4 weeks when all the shit they should have been making all along doesn't end up on the west coast ports
You are being told only one side, just like with Covid.
spat
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spat
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When it comes to operating a navy, there is nobody in history with a worse reputation than the Russians. The French can rest assured that the Russians make them look like a superpower on the high seas.
Read about the Baltic Sea fleet's voyage in 1904/5 if you want a good laugh.
If you put Benny hill in charge of the 3 Stooges on a rowboat with slingshots you would have a more formidable force.
14,000 killed in Donbass, two broken agreements and 5 waves of NATO expansion towards Russian border.