Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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Biden Announces U.S. Air Defense System for Ukraine Following Retaliatory Russian Missile Attacks​


October 10, 2022 | Sundance | 361 Comments
In a statement today from the White House, Joe Biden has pledged “to continue providing Ukraine with the support needed to defend itself, including advanced air defense systems.” [link] The statement comes as a result of a phone call between Biden and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The U.S. State Dept and CIA are continuing to lead and coordinate the Ukraine war effort with U.S. personnel in place to organize operations. [link]

Like the bombing of the Nordstream pipeline, it is highly likely the Kerch Strait bridge targeting was planned by Ukraine and the United States. However, we are not permitted to speak about these coordinated efforts. The bottom line is the U.S. Biden administration going further toward direct engagement with Russia via the proxy state of Ukraine.
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In a statement today from the White House, Joe Biden has pledged “to continue providing Ukraine with the support needed to defend itself, including advanced air defense systems.” [link] The statement comes as a result of a phone call between Biden and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Two...
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GOPerfect said:
Good, it is war. Should be lots of blood.
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As long as it's the peasants suffering for the ambitions and enjoyment of the global elite right? The ones we so often decry on this forum...



"The blood lust jerks our legs to march,
Fife and drum, fife and drum
Our eyes are fixed and fearless
Searching for the war
Our statesmen deal in blood and lies
100 million stifled cries,
100 million wasted lives
Already gone before"
 
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After formally requesting that Ukraine not kick Putin in the balls, they kicked him in the balls anyway. Putin returned the favor several times over.

Of course they could have just agreed on that. But Ukraine decided to kick Russia in the balls anyway , Russia is still currently ball kicking Ukraine relentlessly. Avenged 7 fold. Now you have to ask if it was worth it?
 
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holdover said:
After formally requesting that Ukraine not kick Putin in the balls, they kicked him in the balls anyway. Putin returned the favor several times over.

Of course they could have just agreed on that. But Ukraine decided to kick Russia in the balls anyway , Russia is still currently ball kicking Ukraine relentlessly. Avenged 7 fold. Now you have to ask if it was worth it?
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Putin invaded their fucking country.

He deserves a lot more than ball kicking.

I do not think he will still be in charge in Russia this time next year.
 
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spat said:
Putin invaded their fucking country.

He deserves a lot more than ball kicking.

I do not think he will still be in charge in Russia this time next year.
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Putin represents a moderate wing of Russian politicians. There are voices there that call for bombing of Brussels every time a target is hit on the Russian soil and they have a point. Washington cabal lives in a bubble thinking getting rid of Putin, they will get another Yeltsin or Gorbachev. This era is gone for good.

Putin is not an evil dictator as idiots in this country want to believe. He is a voice of reason and justice and that's why he will prevail.
 
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who's winning the War in Ukraine .. the defense contractors ??

" The time has come to end the war in Ukraine, but politicians continue to drag it out (and use your money as they do). Today, Liz holds those globalist elites accountable, exposing one in particular as she proves how Volodymyr Zelensky is a massive and dangerous fraud. This is what you really need to know about his agenda and how it overlaps with the Democrats in the United States. Plus, there is a way to end the war in Ukraine,
and it’s easier than you might think. "


Zelensky’s Biggest Fraud​


 
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Mosinitis said:
Putin represents a moderate wing of Russian politicians. There are voices there that call for bombing of Brussels every time a target is hit on the Russian soil and they have a point. Washington cabal lives in a bubble thinking getting rid of Putin, they will get another Yeltsin or Gorbachev. This era is gone for good.

Putin is not an evil dictator as idiots in this country want to believe. He is a voice of reason and justice and that's why he will prevail.
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He will absolutely not prevail.

You are right, his replacement might be even worse, but none of that excuses the unjustified invasion of their peaceful neighbor.



Imagine by some miracle he is successful and conquers Ukraine.

Then by his logic, NATO would be justified in invading Ukraine themselves because of "Russian expansion" on their borders.


This whole mess can't be justified either morally or practically.

Also, I DGAF what the Russian people think about the situation. Allowing Russia to conquer Ukraine is simply not in our interest and we absolutely have the ability to prevent that.

I think the path we are going down now (providing support but not risking American lives) is the best option for us.

The entire mess is Russia's doing, and it will likely be their undoing.
 
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MothMan said:
What are the “interests” for the US to be in Ukraine? Straight up question.
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Stability in Europe.

We've gotten dragged into that mess twice in the last century. We do not want to let it get that out of hand again.


This is not a elementary school playground. This is global geopolitics. It has a lot more in common with a prison yard than anything where a notion of "fairness" or even "justice" prevails.


So, think of it this way. We're the baddest MF in the prison by a wide margin, and we're leading the biggest most powerful gang.

Some new guy is thinking he might like to join our gang, but a rival gang leader says "well, he speaks our language, not yours, so he belongs to us. We're going to beat the shit our of him for even daring to consider joining you guys".

Is the correct response to that "let the other gang leader get away with it", or is it to kick him in the teeth so hard he never considers crossing you again.
 
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spat said:
Stability in Europe.

We've gotten dragged into that mess twice in the last century. We do not want to let it get that out of hand again.


This is not a elementary school playground. This is global geopolitics. It has a lot more in common with a prison yard than anything where a notion of "fairness" or even "justice" prevails.


So, think of it this way. We're the baddest MF in the prison by a wide margin, and we're leading the biggest most powerful gang.

Some new guy is thinking he might like to join our gang, but a rival gang leader says "well, he speaks our language, not yours, so he belongs to us. We're going to beat the shit our of him for even daring to consider joining you guys".

Is the correct response to that "let the other gang leader get away with it", or is it to kick him in the teeth so hard he never considers crossing you again.
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Nope!! Big money plain and simple. All the Military industrial complex needs to do is fool people here in the States to support it.

View attachment gravitas.mp4

Gravitas calling out the American Military Industrial Complex to their 6 Million followers

"Only 30-40% of America's weapons to Ukraine end up in Ukraine's army. The rest, quite literally, gone with the wind

Ukraine is the 2nd most corrupt country in Europe. To get things done, you need to grease the wheels & pay off the power-lords / oligarchs. The same thing is happening with these weapons. Corruption is gobbling up western military assistance in Ukraine. These are top notch lethal weapons. Where are they going? Organized crime groups. Where is the oversight?

America's Military Industrial Complex is making billions in this war. Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman etc

US politicians benefit from this system that makes them richer with every war & they don't care who wins, as long as weapons are being sold."

 
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