Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

Russia has bigger territory, more nukes and better missile technology. Russia's chances of winning nuclear war are better.

Russia tests nuclear-capable missile that Putin calls world's best

In a show of strength two months into its assault on Ukraine, Russia test-launched a new nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile which President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday would make Moscow's enemies stop and think.

www.reuters.com

Why Russia's Hypersonic Missiles Can't Be Seen on Radar

The speed of hypersonic weapons are changing the way the world's military minds think about the future of great power conflicts in ways no one could have predicted.

www.military.com

Russia leads the world in hypersonic missiles tech, Putin says

Russia is the global leader in hypersonic missiles and, by the time other countries catch up, is likely to have developed technology to counteract these new weapons, President Vladimir Putin said.

www.reuters.com

Wow, you really drank the kool-aid haven't you.

Bigger territory than what ? Then entire pacific ocean where we keep our boomers ?

Better missile technology ? Seriously ? Both sides have had adequate missile technology since the 70s. What's better about it ?

More nukes ? Well, maybe if you count every rusting hull, but nukes need regular maintenance if you expect them to go boom. Don't replace the tritium every few years and they're just an extra messy conventional explosive. You may believe they're doing that for thousands of warheads, but I seriously doubt they have the budget.

As for "winning" a nuclear war, there is no such thing. The best you can possibly manage would be surviving one without your entire civilization collapsing. That is completely impossible for the Russians, and unlikely for us.

 

[Mosinitis]

Russia dominates nuclear power supply chains — and the West needs to prepare now to be independent in the future

A new report from Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy details how Russia dominates the supply chains of nuclear power around the globe.

www.cnbc.com

Russia has ‘enormous’ underground bunkers ready for nuclear war

Russia is maintaining giant bunkers underneath Moscow where Kremlin bigwigs can live underground for months after a nuclear attack, because the administration is convinced the U.S. plans on overthr…

nypost.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Russians Conduct Nuclear-Bomb Survival Drills as Cold War Heats Up

Russian authorities have stepped up nuclear-war survival measures amid a showdown with Washington, dusting off Soviet-era civil-defense plans and upgrading bomb shelters in the biggest cities

www.wsj.com

Footage shows how Russia has completed nuclear drill for 40MILLION

Video shows emergency workers with protective suits and gas masks leading the biggest civil defence rehearsals since the end of the Cold War.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[spat]

Recently watched the miniseries Chernobyl. Well worth the time to watch, IMO. 650,000 people mobilized many knowingly irradiated themselves to fight the accident.

My take away is that Russia is best equipped to protect its population from the after effects of a nuclear exchange.

Nuclear war asshole! Many people die. Again my opinion is that in the long run fewer Russian will perish due to experience gained at Chernobyl.

The only other country best prepared would be Japan.

So, your argument is that because the Soviet Union caused the largest nuclear accident in history by incompetently handling a nuclear reactor, then badly mismanaged the response and just threw bodies at the problem in suicide waves, *that* means they are better prepared to handle a nuclear war ?


First off, nuclear war is *nothing* like a reactor meltdown. About the only thing they have in common is some radiation is involved.

Second, that's like saying Andrew Cuomo is going to be the best leader to handle the next pandemic because he has a lot of experience murdering people in nursing homes.

 

[spat]

Russians Conduct Nuclear-Bomb Survival Drills as Cold War Heats Up

Russian authorities have stepped up nuclear-war survival measures amid a showdown with Washington, dusting off Soviet-era civil-defense plans and upgrading bomb shelters in the biggest cities

www.wsj.com

Footage shows how Russia has completed nuclear drill for 40MILLION

Video shows emergency workers with protective suits and gas masks leading the biggest civil defence rehearsals since the end of the Cold War.

www.dailymail.co.uk

About as useful in an actual nuclear war as this outstanding advice.



Russia's biggest advantage in surviving a nuclear war is that they have lots of remote villages where people still have to go outdoors to shit.

 

[MothMan]

At least the Ruskies are making plans to protect their people what is fUSA.gov doing?

Other than fomenting hate for the Russians. Which I see a lot of 1st hand evidence of in this thread.

 

[spat]

At least the Ruskies are making plans to protect their people what is fUSA.gov doing?

Other than fomenting hate for the Russians. Which I see a lot of 1st hand evidence of in this thread.

We had that fiction for decades. Closed them all.

Fallout shelters are about as useful as a crocheted covid mask. They make some people feel better, but that's about it.

After the initial holocaust in a nuclear war, the fallout isn't your primary concern. It isn't too hard to deal with.

It's the collapse of civilization and supply chains that will get you.

 

[Mosinitis]

Soviet Union never had "Duck and Cover" training program. That stupidity is still going on in this country. All large buildings in Russia which have deep basements were labeled with shelter signs. Even smaller and old buildings had deep basements which were subdivided for storage use, these could be used in a pinch. Moscow and St. Petersburg have extensive and very deep subway system, which were already used as bomb shelters in WWII. This in addition to numerous underground tunnels like we seen in Mariupol.

 

[1341]

Soviet Union never had "Duck and Cover" training program. That stupidity is still going on in this country. All large buildings in Russia which have deep basements were labeled with shelter signs. Even smaller and old buildings had deep basements which were subdivided for storage use, these could be used in a pinch. Moscow and St. Petersburg have extensive and very deep subway system, which were already used as bomb shelters in WWII. This in addition to numerous underground tunnels like we seen in Mariupol.

So....there are no subway systems in the United States or big buildings with deep basements?

 

[MothMan]

When was the last time you saw one of these?


Grab this tag off an abandoned breaker panel in a building I once worked in.

 

[Mosinitis]

So....there are no subway systems in the United States or big buildings with deep basements?

Most of it is above ground or just below roadways, not suitable even for bomb shelters. Russian subways were built much deeper.

 

[MothMan]

in case your interested.

Civil defense in the United States - Wikipedia

Civil Defense Preparedness | TACDA

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tacda.org

 

[ManualF150]

We had that fiction for decades. Closed them all.

Fallout shelters are about as useful as a crocheted covid mask. They make some people feel better, but that's about it.

After the initial holocaust in a nuclear war, the fallout isn't your primary concern. It isn't too hard to deal with.

It's the collapse of civilization and supply chains that will get you.

Back then things were a heck of a lot different. People had more respect for one another. You see someone having problems with something, you'd stop and help them. You'd ask questions, etc. You'd offer.

Now a days, people will ignore you if you are having convulsions on the ground. They don't feel it's their job to help, and they just don't care. It's someone else's job.

Along with the fact that people are not self-reliant nor are they pro-active. They think technology will save them.

The USA is not what it was decades ago.

So yes, the collapse of civilization and supply chains will be the contributing factor of many people's demise, both directly and indirectly.

To be honest, I'm not worried about the nuclear incident itself, I'm worried about when my own neighbors terrorize me, and try to steal from me because of the collapse because they can't be self-reliant.

 

[tirwin1]

Most of it is above ground or just below roadways, not suitable even for bomb shelters. Russian subways were built much deeper.

Reminds me of an old joke:

THERE is an old joke, perhaps so old it can be retold as new, in which a Soviet official is proudly showing an impressive Moscow subway station to an American engineer. The visitor is so enchanted that he lingers for quite a time — during which no trains pass through. When he asks, “But where are the trains?” the Russian indignantly replies, “What about the Negroes in the South?”

 

[Mosinitis]

Reminds me of an old joke:

THERE is an old joke, perhaps so old it can be retold as new, in which a Soviet official is proudly showing an impressive Moscow subway station to an American engineer. The visitor is so enchanted that he lingers for quite a time — during which no trains pass through. When he asks, “But where are the trains?” the Russian indignantly replies, “What about the Negroes in the South?”

Soviet built subways are still the best in the world. Trains arrive every 2 minutes, you can set your stop watch by them. Unlike NY subway it's totally independent on conditions above ground.
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing that was said about Russia or Soviet Union. The most common bs was if you do this and that in Russia they will send you to Siberia.

 

[tirwin1]

Soviet built subways are still the best in the world. Trains arrive every 2 minutes, you can set your stop watch by them. Unlike NY subway it's totally independent on conditions above ground.
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing that was said about Russia or Soviet Union. The most common bs was if you do this and that in Russia they will send you to Siberia.

There are no sensitive subjects, only sensitive people. ;-)

 

[Mosinitis]

There are no sensitive subjects, only sensitive people. ;-)

Perception based on propaganda instead of knowledge based on facts is a thing in this country. Some things never change.

 

[Mosinitis]

 

[livingston]

 

[spat]

I recalled reading a few years ago Russia was working on this tech, designed to be used against coastal cities or aircraft carrier task forces. Didn't know they had brought it to fruition. War brings out all the goodies.

Russia Testing Nuclear-Powered Mega-Torpedo Near Where Deadly Explosion Occurred

Speculation rages on whether the engine that exploded was for a nuclear-powered cruise missile or some other weapon-related reactor. One of the possible weapons in the frame is the Poseidon mega-torpedo, which is being tested in the region, my analysis of information from public sources shows.

www.forbes.com

Russia possibly tried and failed to test ‘apocalypse’ Poseidon nuclear torpedo

US observers said Vladimir Putin’s navy may have made a failed attempt to test its new nuclear-powered Poseidon torpedoes in the Arctic Sea, where the world’s largest submarine, the Bel…

nypost.com

They may have announced they are working on it, but the concept is fatally flawed.

A tsunami requires several orders of magnitude more energy than even the largest nukes can provide.

At best you could generate a large wave in a single harbor, and it's unlikely to do more than superficial damage there.

The nuke would be far more destructive as an airburst over the same harbor.

 

[Defilade]

Kash highlights how we are sending money to a Ukrainian President who attempted a false flag in an attempt to bring us to the precipice of war....This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be exposed.

"Zelensky went on the world stage and said Russia fired a rocket into Poland which would literally be an act of war. Well it turned out that Russia fired no such rocket. It turned out the rocket came from Ukraine."

This is the definition of a false flag!
Wake the people up!

View attachment False Flag.mp4

 

[Defilade]

Pay your taxes! We work our arses off, so the government can rob us blind and send our taxes to be laundered through Zelenski back to FTX and the Sam Bankman-Fried donating it all to the DemonRats. This is how desperate they are to keep their puppet in place to see The Great Reset through.

 

[spat]

Perception based on propaganda instead of knowledge based on facts is a thing in this country. Some things never change.

Yep, all propaganda that the soviet economy completely collapsed under the weight of corruption and communism.

Well, at least the shed the communism.

They kept all their trains running on time and they are doing wonderfully.

 

[Defilade]

General Flynn: “Vice President Biden… in the last year that he was the Vice President, he visited Ukraine 12 or 13 times…

You have to ask why? And every single one of those trips needs to be investigated. How many of them did Hunter participate on? Or how many did Joe Biden bring his brother on? All these kinds of issues, the type of questions that need to be asked, and it doesn’t need to be asked in back rooms. It needs to be asked in public.”

The General then called for Jim Jordan to dig into the entire Obama administration.

I’m all for it!

Full interview with Jim & Joe Hoft:

The Gateway Pundit Interviews Former Gen. Mike Flynn on Hunter Biden's Laptop

Former National Security Advisor of the US Mike Flynn will discuss with The Gateway Pundit how Hunter Biden was able to skirt FARA violations for years, and yet DOJ came after Flynn.

rumble.com

View attachment VID_20230206_160454_509.mp4.mp4

 

[holdover]

Hadn't seen this posted, apologies if it was.

Looks like Joe is willing to see Ukraine carve out and cede 20% of its territory (pretty much the Donbass) to Putin to end the war. That's a hell of lot to ask Ukraine to give up, but I guess it just shows how much they want to keep Russia from discovering all the dirty secrets.

Who the fuck is the US to make a deal for Ukraine? Did the Ukrainian people agree to it? This tells you who is behind the war .

after emptying your mags and running out of ammo you want to stop and ask for a truce? Not how the game is played .

Once you see you lost, you now want to negotiate better terms? HAHAHAHAHAHA, What will you bargain with? the land Russia has already taken? Ok you can have the donbass. We already have the donbass try again . How about you leave a little slice of Ukraine where we can put NATO troops and Train them for a war against you in the future? No? How about Boardwalk and Park Place?

After Angela Merkle said the Maidan agreement was never taken seriously and only used to buy time to train the Ukrainans. Now you want the Russians to sign another agreement? LOL Are you fucking kidding me? Russia is going all the way, it might take a breather at the dniper river , But its going to take ALL of Ukraine , cant afford not to. Fool me once shame you, fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[spat]

Who the fuck is the US to make a deal for Ukraine? Did the Ukrainian people agree to it? This tells you who is behind the war .

after emptying your mags and running out of ammo you want to stop and ask for a truce? Not how the game is played .

Once you see you lost, you now want to negotiate better terms? HAHAHAHAHAHA, What will you bargain with? the land Russia has already taken? Ok you can have the donbass. We already have the donbass try again . How about you leave a little slice of Ukraine where we can put NATO troops and Train them for a war against you in the future? No? How about Boardwalk and Park Place?

After Angela Merkle said the Maidan agreement was never taken seriously and only used to buy time to train the Ukrainans. Now you want the Russians to sign another agreement? LOL Are you fucking kidding me? Russia is going all the way, it might take a breather at the dniper river , But its going to take ALL of Ukraine , cant afford not to. Fool me once shame you, fool me twice, shame on me.

To be fair, we're funding the whole thing, so we kinda have a say in how long we want to keep paying.

 

[holdover]

To be fair, we're funding the whole thing, so we kinda have a say in how long we want to keep paying.

Sure , but the Russians have a say too. Me thinks they have no intention of negotiating anything but A Ukrainian unconditional surrender .

The best terms they are going to get .

 

[holdover]

Bakmut is falling. 35,000+ troops in Mariupol , 100,000+ in Belarus. 100,000 in Donbass. Russians are massing an Offensive

Ukraine has minimal armor , running low on air defense. No real usable air force left. Thousands of artillery pieces destroyed. Holding the line with infantry and technicals . conscript age dropped to 16 . No electricity in most of the country. 19 million left in Ukraine , millions fled millions are now in Russian occupied territory,

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Bakmut is falling. 35,000+ troops in Mariupol , 100,000+ in Belarus. 100,000 in Donbass. Russians are massing an Offensive

Ukraine has minimal armor , running low on air defense. No real usable air force left. Thousands of artillery pieces destroyed. Holding the line with infantry and technicals . conscript age dropped to 16 . No electricity in most of the country. 19 million left in Ukraine , millions fled millions are now in Russian occupied territory,

The death toll has to be astronomical.

For the sake of the world and not full blown ww3 I really want this war to be over already. I don't know how this war ends where it doesn't end up escalating elsewhere

 

[holdover]

The death toll has to be astronomical.

For the sake of the world and not full blown ww3 I really want this war to be over already. I don't know how this war ends where it doesn't end up escalating elsewhere

Nobody knows.

""Thou hast chosen war, that will happen which will happen, and only God will know the outcome""
-Genghis khan