Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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holdover
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Bakhmut is pretty much finished. The Uki's are down to about 1 square mile in the western end and cant really escape, Its all open farm land behind them , cant get resupplied. What a fucking waste of men, I truly feel bad for both sides. Utter fucking slaughter.
holdover
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I was told the Russians ran out of missiles and tanks,and ammo
I'm pretty sure that's not accurate....
Lol
And remember guys keep this in mind it's very important.
Yes Russia is experiencing massive casualties. However, the Wagner group has done the majority of the recent fighting and dying. The Russian army has actually been growing because they are building up with conscripts at a rapid pace under mobilization. The Russian army is not suffering the insane casualties but the Wagner group is.
So cliff notes, Russia killed off a bunch of convicts as cannon foder to use in a war of attrition. Even if the Ukrainians were killing the Wagner at a rate of 5:1 Russia would make that trade all day every day. The Ukrainians can't be replaced, but the Russians are literally disposing of their undesirables as battlefield pawns.
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"Insane Close Combat Fighting for Bakhmut"
Crazy video. Ho Lee Fuk!
It's 25 minutes long... But here it is anyways.,
Crazy video. Ho Lee Fuk!
It's 25 minutes long... But here it is anyways.,
holdover
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"Insane Close Combat Fighting for Bakhmut"
Crazy video. Ho Lee Fuk!
It's 25 minutes long... But here it is anyways.,
Minute mark, 5:45 guy with M4 is sporting an American flag patch on left shoulder. Looks like he advised the shit out of a few Russians
holdover
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March 29, 2023 (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned Tuesday that unless his nation wins a drawn-out battle in a key eastern city, Russia could begin building international support for a deal that could require Ukraine to make unacceptable compromises. He also invited the leader of China, long aligned with Russia, to visit.
If Bakhmut fell to Russian forces, their president, Vladimir Putin, would “sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran,” Zelenskyy said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.
“If he will feel some blood — smell that we are weak — he will push, push, push,” Zelenskyy said in English, which he used for virtually all of the interview.
apnews.com
This guy is out of his fucking mind if he thinks he can cut a deal with Russia . So you can rearm and try again later? Maybe you will keep your agreements this time? Now that your army is going to be crushed ? Now you want to cut a deal? and offer the Russians Donbass and Luhansk the Crimea? Areas won by conquest.? LOL. Im sure the Russians are going to jump at any offer.
If Bakhmut fell to Russian forces, their president, Vladimir Putin, would “sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran,” Zelenskyy said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.
“If he will feel some blood — smell that we are weak — he will push, push, push,” Zelenskyy said in English, which he used for virtually all of the interview.
Ukraine's Zelenskyy: Any Russian victory could be perilous
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is warning that his nation must win a drawn-out battle in a key eastern city.
apnews.com
This guy is out of his fucking mind if he thinks he can cut a deal with Russia . So you can rearm and try again later? Maybe you will keep your agreements this time? Now that your army is going to be crushed ? Now you want to cut a deal? and offer the Russians Donbass and Luhansk the Crimea? Areas won by conquest.? LOL. Im sure the Russians are going to jump at any offer.
Zelensky ran out of places to go in Europe and headed to Japan and Saudi Arabia, obviously he is staying out of Ukraine for whatever reason.
Zaluzniy was finally located and there is a video posted on telegram of what happened.
Zaluzniy was finally located and there is a video posted on telegram of what happened.
spat
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I don't think he's suggesting he *wants* that.March 29, 2023 (AP) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned Tuesday that unless his nation wins a drawn-out battle in a key eastern city, Russia could begin building international support for a deal that could require Ukraine to make unacceptable compromises. He also invited the leader of China, long aligned with Russia, to visit.
If Bakhmut fell to Russian forces, their president, Vladimir Putin, would “sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran,” Zelenskyy said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.
“If he will feel some blood — smell that we are weak — he will push, push, push,” Zelenskyy said in English, which he used for virtually all of the interview.
Ukraine's Zelenskyy: Any Russian victory could be perilous
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is warning that his nation must win a drawn-out battle in a key eastern city.
This guy is out of his fucking mind if he thinks he can cut a deal with Russia . So you can rearm and try again later? Maybe you will keep your agreements this time? Now that your army is going to be crushed ? Now you want to cut a deal? and offer the Russians Donbass and Luhansk the Crimea? Areas won by conquest.? LOL. Im sure the Russians are going to jump at any offer.
He's warning that if they don't hold, then his backers may demand it.
Already there are many in NATO (and even on this board) who want the whole mess over with and don't really care who ends up with what territory.
If the west cuts off the checkbook funding him, Zelensky may not have many options.
holdover
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I agree, but there are two partys in this war, and I dont think the Russians are going to be in a good mood to negotiate, after it made offers before and just after the start of the war . If the US pulls out which it will do eventually , Ukraine will fall, thats not an opinion thats a hard cold fact since they cannot produce the war materials and weapons its need to continue .
We have to look at it from the US side also. Obviously we cannot support them forever. I got a feeling they told zelinsky , that if he cant hold bakhmut after everything we have done , then theres not much more we can do. At some point you have to stop throwing good money after bad.
"Insane Close Combat Fighting for Bakhmut"
Crazy video. Ho Lee Fuk!
It's 25 minutes long... But here it is anyways.,
What a shit show of a mess. That is WW1 being fought with ww3 technology. That must be hell.
I really hope people in America appreciate peace and know what real war is like. Sadly I think many are much too flippant about it.
There's nothing wrong with feeling bad for the Ukrainian people and not liking their government. Is it really any different than here?
I sympathize with the regular citizens caught in this mess they didn't ask for it, it's just the way it happened.
Regular citizens of countries have far more in common with each other than our power hungry corrupt governments want us to realize. I would likely trust an average regular Ukrainian or Russian citizen before I trust my own government.
spat
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The other side of that is that Russia really isn't going to see any benefit from letting this continue either.
I think some "deal" that will let Putin claim a victory would be the best he can hope for.
The west isn't going to cut Zelensky off cold turkey. Since there aren't Americans dying, we are quite willing to keep this money laundering operation going for decades.
What motive does anyone in DC have for stopping ? He'll Raytheon is probably bribing them left and right to keep it going.
holdover
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Benefit? Maybe not. there is no way Putin allows Ukraine to continue on as a sovereign goverment. He really has no choice . Is Ukraine going to agree to be nuetral? Putin is going to trust the same people that broke the Minsk agreements? Only to arm up again at some time in the future? The West cant be trusted. there can be no agreement with liars. He must maintain the edge he has ,I cant see him giving it up for a promise.
The only way Putin considers the deal is if its sweet enough. All territory East of the Dniper river and the port of Odessa , because I think thats all he really needs . I think zelensky would tell him to go fuck himself again , and the war will continue until Russia meets its goals .
Without proper air cover Ukraine cant launch a major offensive , let alone win the war. they are out numbered in tanks missiles, infantry and artillery.I thought for a moment they were going to try anyways
Even the F16s they are talking about wont change much, I would imagine the main purpose is not to engauge the Russian airforce but to strike ground targets useing weapons and targeting packages which would take to long to convert over to MIgs
holdover
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Remember WW2 when Germany was at the gates of Moscow, the Russian officer core had been purged, the Russian army was collapsing and retreating along the entire front, whole army groups were lost . Nothing but air between the Germans and the Capital.
The Russians didn't quit. They wont ever quit. They are going to continue this war until Ukraine is crushed or surrenders , no matter what it costs , no matter how long it takes. The US is ready to throw the towel in already. It hasnt even crossed the Russians minds yet . They are ready willing and able to lose millions of men to secure their borders or die trying .
Zelenski signed his own death warrant, Doesnt matter where he goes , sooner or later they will find him and send him to hell
The Russians didn't quit. They wont ever quit. They are going to continue this war until Ukraine is crushed or surrenders , no matter what it costs , no matter how long it takes. The US is ready to throw the towel in already. It hasnt even crossed the Russians minds yet . They are ready willing and able to lose millions of men to secure their borders or die trying .
Zelenski signed his own death warrant, Doesnt matter where he goes , sooner or later they will find him and send him to hell
spat
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Putin may be willing to fight to the last Russian, but I am pretty sure Zelensky is willing to do the same thing.
A lot of powerful people are making a lot of money off this in the west. I don't think anyone who matters is getting ready to throw in the towel yet.
Also, in WWII, the Germans were knocking on the door of Moscow.
Here, the Russians are fighting to take someone else's home. I wouldn't count on the same level of dedication. Nobody fights a war of aggression with the same fervor they do defending their homes.
Also, Putin may be ruthless, be he's no Stalin, and modern Russia is not the Stalinist Soviet Union either. He doesn't have that degree of control, and the Russian people don't have that degree of desperation and fear.
holdover
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Thats true , but the point I was trying to make is If they didnt quit when everything looked hopeless, they wont quit when they have the upperhand.
I agree.
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holdover
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To late.
Jmac00
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Bad news, Ukraine is getting their asses handed to them, and the American taxpayer keeps throwing money and equipment at them, We are getting hosed in this shityass deal
holdover
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Bakhmut has fallen
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Russia’s advance more or less stalled months ago. How time flies.
HIMARS are doing a good number on the orcs, and more arriving weekly. Orcs have no defense against himars because their war fighting is basically about forty years behind nato. I anticipate the USA will release some of the long range himars rockets soon.
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The ''"Orcs"" found a way to jam the Himars. They are most likely jamming the Patriot system also. Even though your Buddy zelensky is claiming a 100% shoot down rate,( A rate we didnt achieve against SCUDS in the gulf war)
Two months ago there were 15,000 Ukrainian troops in Bakhmut, + ""advisors"" which were under orders to not retreat. + 500 a day reinforcements ,right now there are approximately 0.0 Ukraine troops in Bakmut.
Zelensky admits he will be under pressure if Russia takes Bakhmut
Zelensky said if the eastern city of Bakhmut fell to Russian forces after a protracted battle, president Vladimir Putin would 'sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran'.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned defeat in the battle for Bakhmut would enable Russia to start building international support for a deal that would require his nation to make unacceptable compromises.
Zelensky said if the eastern city of Bakhmut fell to Russian forces after a protracted battle, president Vladimir Putin would 'sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran'.
'If he will feel some blood - smell that we are weak - he will push, push, push,' he told the Associated Press, adding that a loss anywhere at this stage in the war could put Ukraine's hard-fought momentum at risk.
Land dispute aside. Western enemies sitting in Kiev and directing attacks on Russia, terrorist acts and assassinations will never be acceptable to Russia. It may be the norm for Washington schizophrenics, but no Russian leader will accept this.
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Zelensky Will Issue Ultimatum to Neutral Countries in Russia-Ukraine War: ‘Time to Pick Sides’
Zelensky Will Issue Ultimatum to Neutral Countries in Russia-Ukraine War: 'Time to Pick Sides'
President Volodymyr Zelensky is ratcheting up the pressure on neutral countries that have avoided picking sides in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. The Ukrainian president traveled to Japan this weekend to meet with G7 leaders at the summit in Hiroshima. This will be his first visit to an Asian...
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