Robin
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Well, even Yak herders are entitled to an opinion. Facts, that most elusive commodity in time of war.
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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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i hear there is a broken dam now .. with all that water things should be cooling down now ..
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Bigfoot
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A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.
amp.theguardian.com
Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.
Nato members may send troops to Ukraine, warns former alliance chief
Security guarantees and membership path needed at Nato summit to avoid escalation, says Anders Rasmussen
amp.theguardian.com
Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.
holdover
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NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said he will chair a meeting Thursday of an emergency coordination panel with Ukraine on the "outrageous destruction" of a frontline dam.
The wrecking of the Kakhovka dam in the southern Kherson region unleashed waters "displacing thousands of people and causing an ecological catastrophe in Ukraine," he said in a tweet on Wednesday.
He added that Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba would participate by video link in Thursday's meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission.
Kuleba tweeted that the meeting was called at his request, and said Stoltenberg had promised "NATO mechanisms will be used to provide humanitarian assistance".
www.barrons.com
The wrecking of the Kakhovka dam in the southern Kherson region unleashed waters "displacing thousands of people and causing an ecological catastrophe in Ukraine," he said in a tweet on Wednesday.
He added that Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba would participate by video link in Thursday's meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission.
Kuleba tweeted that the meeting was called at his request, and said Stoltenberg had promised "NATO mechanisms will be used to provide humanitarian assistance".
NATO Chief To Chair Emergency Ukraine Meeting Over Dam
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said he will chair a meeting Thursday of an emergency coordination panel with Ukraine on the "outrageous destruction" of a frontline dam.
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Better them than us. It's about time the Europeans stepped up.A group of Nato countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if member states including the US do not provide tangible security guarantees to Kyiv at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said.
Nato members may send troops to Ukraine, warns former alliance chief
Security guarantees and membership path needed at Nato summit to avoid escalation, says Anders Rasmussen
Rasmussen said: “If Nato cannot agree on a clear path forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing concrete assistance to Ukraine. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility that Poland would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground.
CNN of all places is even admitted the counteroffensive is not going well.
So essentially it looks like Ukraine is doing the same thing Nazi Germany did in WW2 by launching last ditch major offensives (battle of bulge, Kursk etc) that will get their troops and equipment killed off at far faster rates than to use them effectively in defense.
There are now going to be 2 remaining options. Ukraine will have to sue for peace, or, NATO will have to openly join in Ukraines defense.
Ukraine will not be achieving their objectives and Russia will absorb this last ditch attempt and all the while Ukraine is expending their last best remaining forces.
So essentially it looks like Ukraine is doing the same thing Nazi Germany did in WW2 by launching last ditch major offensives (battle of bulge, Kursk etc) that will get their troops and equipment killed off at far faster rates than to use them effectively in defense.
There are now going to be 2 remaining options. Ukraine will have to sue for peace, or, NATO will have to openly join in Ukraines defense.
Ukraine will not be achieving their objectives and Russia will absorb this last ditch attempt and all the while Ukraine is expending their last best remaining forces.
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said he will chair a meeting Thursday of an emergency coordination panel with Ukraine on the "outrageous destruction" of a frontline dam.
The wrecking of the Kakhovka dam in the southern Kherson region unleashed waters "displacing thousands of people and causing an ecological catastrophe in Ukraine," he said in a tweet on Wednesday.
He added that Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba would participate by video link in Thursday's meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission.
Kuleba tweeted that the meeting was called at his request, and said Stoltenberg had promised "NATO mechanisms will be used to provide humanitarian assistance".
NATO Chief To Chair Emergency Ukraine Meeting Over Dam
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said he will chair a meeting Thursday of an emergency coordination panel with Ukraine on the "outrageous destruction" of a frontline dam.
Omg no.
This is what they are going to use to expand the war. This is the provocation to draw them in. This will be disastrous.
Did you guys know that coincidentally NATO is days away from hosting a massive NATO Air force training exercise based in Germany around the idea of a unified defense from a foreign attacker...
prambo
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See my last post in the "Trans Agenda" thread.
prambo
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How the fUSA decides who blew up the dam...closer to the truth than one would hope...
prambo
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Patrick Lawrence: First There Were Neo-Nazis, Then There Were No Nazis, Then There Were - scheerpost.com
"I tell you, serving as a New York Times correspondent these days cannot be easy. You have to convey utter nonsense to your readers while maintaining a straight face and a serious demeanor. You have to suggest the Russians may have exploded a drone over the Kremlin, that they may have blown up their own gas pipeline, that their president is an out-of-touch psychotic, that their soldiers in Ukraine are drunkards using faulty equipment, that they attack with “human hordes” (Orientalism, anyone?) and on and on—all the while affecting the gravitas once associated with the traditional “Timesman.” You try it sometime.
I am reminded of that pithy passage in Daniel Boorstin’s regrettably overlooked book, The Image. “The reporter’s task,” Boorstin wrote in 1962, “is to find a way of weaving these threads of unreality into a fabric that the reader will not recognize as entirely unreal.”"
"I tell you, serving as a New York Times correspondent these days cannot be easy. You have to convey utter nonsense to your readers while maintaining a straight face and a serious demeanor. You have to suggest the Russians may have exploded a drone over the Kremlin, that they may have blown up their own gas pipeline, that their president is an out-of-touch psychotic, that their soldiers in Ukraine are drunkards using faulty equipment, that they attack with “human hordes” (Orientalism, anyone?) and on and on—all the while affecting the gravitas once associated with the traditional “Timesman.” You try it sometime.
I am reminded of that pithy passage in Daniel Boorstin’s regrettably overlooked book, The Image. “The reporter’s task,” Boorstin wrote in 1962, “is to find a way of weaving these threads of unreality into a fabric that the reader will not recognize as entirely unreal.”"
There is a reason NATO troops didn't openly participate upto now. Russia has something up her sleeve to assure that. Prior to the begining of the operation, they reffered to it as military technical means. That deterrent is probably still there.
NATO meeting is next month, by that time this will be no longer a disaster emergency.
It's going to be WWIII at some point anyway.
NATO meeting is next month, by that time this will be no longer a disaster emergency.
It's going to be WWIII at some point anyway.
This was brought up on the Durant channel. Apperantly Russmusen is a paid consultant for the Ukrainian government, also during Poroshenko years. His statements have to be viewed in that light. He is representing Zelensky, not NATO.
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holdover
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CNN Ukrainian forces have suffered losses in heavy equipment and soldiers as they met greater than expected resistance from Russian forces in their first attempt to breach Russian lines in the east of the country in recent days, two senior US officials tell CNN.
One US official described the losses – which include US supplied MRAP armored personnel vehicles as “significant.”
Ukrainian forces managed to overrun some Russian forces in the east around Bakhmut. However, Russian forces, armed with anti-tank missiles, grenades and mortars, have put up “stiff resistance,” with their forces dug into defensive lines that are several layers deep in some areas and marked by minefields that have taken a heavy toll on Ukrainian armored vehicles.
Russian Ministry of Defense claimed Wednesday that the Ukrainian offensive close to Bakhmut was “thwarted”.
“The Armed Forces of Ukraine, having failed to achieve the offensive objectives and suffered significant losses in South Donetsk direction, made the attempts to break the defence of Russian troops in Donetsk direction close to Artyomovsk (Russian for Bakhmut),” a spokesperson for the Russian Ministry of Defense said.
“The attack of the enemy armored group using Western-manufactured hardware was thwarted. The enemy was destroyed.”
One US official described the losses – which include US supplied MRAP armored personnel vehicles as “significant.”
Ukrainian forces managed to overrun some Russian forces in the east around Bakhmut. However, Russian forces, armed with anti-tank missiles, grenades and mortars, have put up “stiff resistance,” with their forces dug into defensive lines that are several layers deep in some areas and marked by minefields that have taken a heavy toll on Ukrainian armored vehicles.
Russian Ministry of Defense claimed Wednesday that the Ukrainian offensive close to Bakhmut was “thwarted”.
“The Armed Forces of Ukraine, having failed to achieve the offensive objectives and suffered significant losses in South Donetsk direction, made the attempts to break the defence of Russian troops in Donetsk direction close to Artyomovsk (Russian for Bakhmut),” a spokesperson for the Russian Ministry of Defense said.
“The attack of the enemy armored group using Western-manufactured hardware was thwarted. The enemy was destroyed.”
holdover
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Anders Fogh Rasmussen RSKmd (Danish pronunciation: [ˈɑnɐs ˈfɔwˀ ˈʁɑsmusn̩] (
listen); born 26 January 1953) is a Danish politician who was the 24th Prime Minister of Denmark from November 2001 to April 2009 and the 12th Secretary General of NATO from August 2009 to October 2014.[1][2] He became CEO of political consultancy Rasmussen Global[3] and founded the Alliance of Democracies Foundation. He serves as a senior adviser to Citigroup.[4] He also served as a senior advisor at The Boston Consulting Group.[5]Rasmussen was first elected to the Folketing in 1978 and served in various ministerial positions, including Minister of Tax (1987–1992) and Minister of Economic Affairs (1990–1992). In his early career, Rasmussen was a strident critic of the welfare state,[6] writing the classical liberal book From Social State to Minimal State in 1993. However, his views moved towards the political centre through the 1990s.[7] He was elected the leader of the conservative-liberal party Venstre in 1998 and headed a centre-right coalition with the Conservative People's Party which took office in November 2001 and won its second and third terms in February 2005 and in November 2007. Rasmussen's government relied on the Danish People's Party for support, keeping with the Danish tradition of minority government.
His government introduced tougher limits on immigration and a freeze on tax rates (skattestoppet in Danish). Certain taxes were lowered, but his coalition partners in the Conservative People's Party repeatedly argued for more tax cuts and a flat tax rate at no higher than 50%. Rasmussen's government implemented an administrative reform reducing the number of municipalities (kommuner) and replacing the thirteen counties (amter) with five regions which he referred to as "the biggest reform in thirty years". He authored several books about taxation and government structure.
He resigned as Prime Minister in April 2009 to become Secretary General of NATO, a military alliance that was expanding into Eastern Europe. He aggressively pushed NATO in new directions that extended far beyond the traditional roles of containing of the USSR and directing the Cold War in Europe.[8] His term ended 30 September 2014.
He became a private consultant on the international stage. He is a Senior Network Member at the European Leadership Network (ELN).[9]
Robin
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Looks more like a recon in force to me.
Robin
Robin
holdover
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After 5 days, looks more like they are afraid to commit
holdover
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From what I've been reading, it's been a turkey shoot.
They’re waiting for the AI to kick in
To quote Ukrainian tank crewman "Pizdetz"
www.rt.com
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VIDEO shows American-made Bradleys and German-made Leopard tanks destroyed by Russia
Moscow previously reported destroying over 30 Ukrainian tanks, including three Leopards, while repelling a Ukrainian offensive
Russian MOD releases VIDEO of Ukrainian vehicles destroyed in combat
Announcing the destruction of Western-supplied armor is the voice of Yuri Levitan from his June 1941 broadcast about the Nazi invasion
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holdover
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3 leopards, several Bradley's maps are confirmed
holdover
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Allegedly they were hit hard by Russian gun ships and artillery. No Air cover
I saw one picture where there was like 1 leopard and 4 Bradley's, and some other stuff like BMPs and Mraps all in a row burned out. Looks to me like their tank crews are seriously inexperienced and ineffective. That picture looked like a shit show of indecision and bad tactics.
It's a pretty bad look for the state of the Ukrainian army.
No fault of theirs I'm sure all their experienced crews have had serious attrition rates and the replacements just aren't the same training and capabilities
holdover
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I blame thier leadership, those boys had a lot of heart.
holdover
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I have to say there is a chance it's a feint.I mean, they have been telegraphing it for two months,, then they send in a few leopards and Bradley's to sell it.
100% lot of brave dead Ukrainians there.
I feel like it's watching "all quiet on the western front" in real time.
It's a shame.
I wish the west would stop pushing to keep this war going and show global leadership and lead peace discussions.