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the US president said that ‘Russia could end this conflict tomorrow by withdrawing forces from Ukraine, recognizing its international borders and ceasing attacks on Russia.’
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Robin
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I'm curious as to just what "winning" this war is. Being told I am ignorant, uninformed and propagandized as to the nature of this war, how and why it began, I couldn't possibly recognize a victory, or a "winning" of this bloody war when, of if, it should occur in my life time. Seriously, what would winning be?
Robin
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The ones telling you that you're ignorant, uninformed and propagandized have had this war over several times now, so I'm sure the answers you're going to get will be pretty much the same regurgitated posts on this thread since it's beginning.
At this point the biggest "win" would be if there was an immediate cease fire/freeze and everything that Russia is occupying they keep and everything that is under Ukraine control they keep.
My .02 cents.
This has huge potential to start ww3 and it needs to end. The only ones who are benefitting from this carnage are the military industrial complex, corrupt power lusting politicians and globalists who want to see an west vs east conflict.
holdover
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Well the pro globalists say taking back all of the Ukraine no matter what the cost. The Russians say the destruction of the Ukrainian military and the removal of Zelensky from power.
Steal2B
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NATO is still looking for that game changer weapon that will defeat Russia. First were Javelins, then drones, then Himars, then Leopard tanks, now cluster rounds, soon F16'S. Fucking idiots with a complex, who are really a threat to the world.
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NATO stock piles of 155 are getting to low, so they are sending these instead. These arent meant to change the course of battle , just feed the guns
Acer-m14
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"Even before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the United States had put thousands of additional American troops in areas neighboring, or near, Ukraine — such as Germany, Poland and Romania — to support NATO’s eastern flank. Biden’s administration has also given Ukraine tens of billions of dollars in military aid at the same time, including an $800 million package last week."
notice the $$$$ was given and not loaned .. LOL ..
notice the $$$$ was given and not loaned .. LOL ..
Maybe true or maybe a cover story. Seems regular rounds should be easier to manufacture and thus replenish the stockpile.
Anyhow, Russians find a way to deal with everything thrown at them. There is no Russian defeat on the horizon and Ukraine cannot sustain this rate of loses.
Acer-m14
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Riff Raff Rocks .. big air plane and a dozer to push them out the back end .. LOL..
cheaper then cluster bombs ..
shit Ukraine has no big airplanes LOL ..
cheaper then cluster bombs ..
shit Ukraine has no big airplanes LOL ..
holdover
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Im thinking they have ware houses full of them , why not? Doesnt really matter , it isnt a game changer. they can do some serious damage if they catch them crossing open fields. Trenches ,woodlines, built up, areas not as much . Ukraine cant win , they can give them all the F 16s they want , just throwing good money after bad . I do believe Russia was waiting to see what happens at the NATO meeting before making a move. I would expect the Russian offensive anywhere from now to sept , A full scale Ukrainian counter attack probably wouldn't happen until spring if its even possible by then.
Robin
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Yeah, thats what I thought.
Robin
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Sad thing is hes telling the truth.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr
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Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian youth have already died because America's foreign policy establishment manipulated their country into war to fulfill vain + futile geopolitical fantasy. Now, rather than acknowledge failure, Biden admin prepares to sacrifice American lives too.
2:26 PM · Jul 14, 2023
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holdover
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DD Geopolitics
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US Intelligence: Conflict between Russia and Ukraine Stalled, Despite Ukrainian Counteroffensive A representative of the US Defense Intelligence Agency, John Kirshofer, stated that the military conflict had reached a deadlock, as reported by Bloomberg. "We are definitely in bit of a stalemate," Kirshofer said. Providing Ukraine with more powerful weapons, including cluster bombs and HIMARS, will not significantly alter the course of the fighting in the near future. "Unfortunately, none of them are the holy grail that the Ukrainians were looking for to break through," emphasized the intelligence officer. "One of the things that the Russian leadership believes is that they can withstand Western support," added a Pentagon representative.
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Tucker: "I'm sorry, Mr. Vice President. You are distressed that the Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks? Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years. Drive around. There's not one city that's gotten better. And it's visible. Our economy has degraded, the suicide rate has jumped, public filth, and disorder and crime have exponentionally increased and yet your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find on a map, don't have enough tanks? I think it's a fair question to ask: Where's the concern for the United States in that?"
Pence: "That's not my concern."
Pence: "That's not my concern."
Acer-m14
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I thought all the mom's and kids fled and got out of Ukraine
Ukrainian women and children flee war as men stay and fight
holdover
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The upper left corner of video has March 8th 2022 , and there is snow on the ground and people are wearing winter clothes,
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian youth have already died because America's foreign policy establishment manipulated their country into war to fulfill vain + futile geopolitical fantasy. Now, rather than acknowledge failure, Biden admin prepares to sacrifice American lives too.
2:26 PM · Jul 14, 2023
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if they left how did so many die ??
nice catch Irick ..
holdover
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Gotcha.
I did hear about ten million people left, I dont know how accurate that is , seems plausible.
I did hear about ten million people left, I dont know how accurate that is , seems plausible.
livingston
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Young Men in Ukraine Hide in Fear of Being Sent to Die: “My Friends Were Trained for 5 Days and Sent to Donetsk”
Gateway Pundit reported that Russia claims Ukraine has suffered 26.000 casualities in one month of its failed “counter-offensive.” Now, even war hawk Foreign Policy magazine concedes that young men in Ukraine are being pressed into military service with no training and sent into the ”meat grinder“ in Donetsk.“On July 5, Ukrainian army generals issued a proclamation dramatically expanding the martial law prohibiting Ukrainian civilian men’s freedom of movement, calling on all those “liable for military service” to remain in their home districts“, writes Amherst professor Charli Carpenter on Foreign Policy, the magazine of the saber-rattling Council on Foreign Relations, where Joe Biden famously boasted about blackmailing Ukraine with $1 billion to get the prosecutor inverstigating Hunter Biden’s company Burisma fired.
Young Men in Ukraine Hide in Fear of Being Sent to Die: “My Friends Were Trained for 5 Days and Sent to Donetsk” * The Gateway Pundit * by Collin McMahon
Gateway Pundit reported that Russia claims Ukraine has suffered 26.000 casualities in one month of its failed “counter-offensive.” Now, even war hawk For…
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ArmedCorgi
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I hope they play that throughout his campaign. I don't think he has a hope in Ukraine of becoming President.