holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
All quiet on the Western front. I think a shit storm is a brewing
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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loose lips sink ships .. Did pence just sink the Bismarck
no interest in the USA .. no shit we seen that from the last election
Not for long. Another attack on Crimean bridge with sea drones. There is damage. Russia is terminating grain deal, which was abused by the Ukraine and Turkey.
Grain deal was pushed for by the UN and Turkey to give safe passage of ships with Ukrainian grain in exchange for guarantees that these waters will not be used to attack Russia, supply weapons plus other guarantees.
Yea just saw that a section of bridge is destroyed. That won't be received well at all.
Innocent people were killed in this terror attack by the Ukrainians/
Robin
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New report details Russian torture of Ukrainian civilians
Investigators found a series of torture chambers in Bucha, which was occupied by Russian forces for over two weeks.
www.cbsnews.com
Russia’s mass kidnappings of Ukrainians are a page out of a wartime playbook – and evidence of genocide
Russia and other countries and political regimes have a long history of forcing people to move, mostly for security and economic gains.
theconversation.com
Thousands of Ukraine civilians are being held in Russian prisons. Russia plans to build many more
Thousands of Ukrainian civilians are being detained across Russia and the Ukrainian territories it occupies, in centers ranging from brand-new wings in Russian prisons to clammy basements.
apnews.com
Robin
New report details Russian torture of Ukrainian civilians
Investigators found a series of torture chambers in Bucha, which was occupied by Russian forces for over two weeks.Russia’s mass kidnappings of Ukrainians are a page out of a wartime playbook – and evidence of genocide
Russia and other countries and political regimes have a long history of forcing people to move, mostly for security and economic gains.Yeah, a lot of innocents are being hurt and killed, some are 'collateral damage' as they say. Many are murdered in cold blood, many are tortured, many are used as human shields to advance their tactical position, these and many other atrocities that aren't incidental to war, but are a matter of policy.
Thousands of Ukraine civilians are being held in Russian prisons. Russia plans to build many more
Thousands of Ukrainian civilians are being detained across Russia and the Ukrainian territories it occupies, in centers ranging from brand-new wings in Russian prisons to clammy basements.
Robin
Classic example of war propaganda. None of these charges will hold up with passage of time. They only serve their purpose as a temporary propaganda to maintain support for U.S. policies. Remember the stories of murdered Kuwaity babies, the "rape rooms" in Iraq, yellow cake uranium, Viagra issued to Libyan soldiers, Assad's gas attacks, rapes by Cuban soldiers in Mozambique and many many more bs stories invented and skillfully publicized.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah, right. Kinda like Bagdad Bob and Moscow Mosin.
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Robin
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Your narrative, your idiocy.
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Official NATO nerrative.
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.577 Tyrannosaur.
Speak for yourself.
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Yankees go home.
spat
.950 JDJ
NATO are not the ones who invaded Ukraine, bombed and shelled it's cities and mined it's farms.
There are exactly zero people left in Ukraine who welcome the "help" the Russians have provided.
History doesn't begin on Feb. 2023.
There were two revolutions a civil war and broken agreement as a result of U.S. involvement before Russia made the move.
Opposition is still in Ukraine, if there was none, there wouldn't be a need to silence it.
spat
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None of that involved NATO as an aggressor.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, no NATO troops involved, and no foreign invaders.
Imagine if the Bay of Pigs invasion had been conducted by regular, uniformed US troops, with full air support and logistics.
That's what the Russian invasion of Ukraine is like.
It is on a completely different level than providing some material support for some local rebels or an insurgency.
The list of U.S. invasions in Latin America is endless and these countries were never even part of United States.
spat
.950 JDJ
Notice the article says "interventions" but you call them "invasions".
There is a distinct difference.
"Interventions" are pretty much the bread and butter of every intelligence agency of every major state for the last couple hundred years.
Invasions have been essentially forbidden since the mess that was left from the 2nd world War. The only time they are tolerated internationally is when both nations are shitholes nobody cares about.
The US got away with it in Afghanistan because Afghanistan was pretty much a failed state anyway.
The Iraq Invasion was the only real US Invasion of the last 70 years. We got away with it because of a combination of the international outrage of 9/11, Iraq's status as a pariah ever since their Kuwait Invasion.
None of the other crap you are talking about is comparable.
Look again, most of these interventions included invasions by troops. There is a column there "Type of Force" that tells when U.S. troops were used.
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Vapor
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The truth is Ukraine is stuck between two empires trying to exert their will over the country.
In the end, it's the common man who will suffer.
In the end, it's the common man who will suffer.
Not really. Ukraine will always be next to or a part of Russia (due to geography, common history and culture). U.S. is an outsider from another hemisphere, who is trying to rule the world and is making people suffer in many places. Lets cut the bullshit and face reality.
spat
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And the rest of Europe ?
NATO isn't just the US.
Pretty sure the Ukranians have more in common with the Poles than the Russians these days.
spat
.950 JDJ
It doesn't count if you are invited by the host country.
The US didn't invade Britian in WWII, despite landing millions of troops there.
We didn't invade Saudi Arabia in 1991 despite moving half a million troops there in 6 months either.
U.S. is the leader of NATO. Everything NATO does is approved by Washington.
spat
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Sure, the US rules NATO with an iron fist, whatever you say.
Hell, we can't even get the rest of the deadbeats to kick in their dues. Pretty sure we're not in charge.
Googling invitation by Iraqi government, Syrian government, Yugoslavian Government, Panama government, Grenada government, Afghan government, to mention only a few. No luck so far.
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