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Well, the Mexican cartels are kidnapping and murdering Americans, so, yea.
Also, if they are Ukranian citizens living in Ukraine, then they are not Russians, no matter how much Putin wants to pretend he owns them.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Also, if they are Ukranian citizens living in Ukraine, then they are not Russians, no matter how much Putin wants to pretend he owns them.
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Oh, if we needed to, we certainly would.
I just don’t see how you guys justify this as a "need" for Russia.
What was the consequence for Russia if they didn't sacrifice a few hundred thousand of their citizens on this misadventure ? Ukraine gets too chummy with NATO ?
To really "need" something, the consequences of not getting it need to be catastrophic. Not merely annoying.
Well, Ukraine is looking very chummy with NATO now aren't they.
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how much $$$ did the biden family make in Ukraine vs how much they made in Russia ..
how much $$$ did the biden family make in Ukraine vs how much they made in Russia ..
Don't know.
They haven't stopped making money there, yet.
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So, why did they invade them then ?
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I would presume its because of what they have been stating for the last 30 years , NATO army's and missiles on their border, loss of the black sea ports,and shipping lanes and the gas lines to Europe . The Russians were forced to move before Ukraine could join NATO , once Ukraine joined NATO they were fucked . Of course NATO was fully aware of it and knew or thought it could collapse Russia from withen .
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So, Russia fell right into the trap then ?
Same CIA play they used on Saddam.
Goad them into providing an excuse for a fight. Offer back channel excuses that there will be no serious repercussions for the invasion.
Then once they commit, bring down the hammer.
Only difference is this time Ukraine managed to hold out long enough on their own for the key players in the west to see the opportunity to milk the conflict for all the cash.
COUP 2014 - The Obama administration overthrew Ukraine's elected government in 2014 - MAIDAN RAINBOW REVOLUTION - ANOTHER CIA / NAZI SS COUP
John McCain rallied protestors, and Victoria Nuland was caught on tape planning Ukraine's new government. - What role did this have on the current NATO proxy war in Ukraine? - https://twitter.com/Kane
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Based on the flat earth thread, I'm not convinced you know what real research *is*.
And you obviously have difficulty with the concept of a rhetorical question as well.
So I guess you believe the MSM/Biden regime narrative as to why Russia invaded Ukriane? Got it! Along with Wuhan Bats, Climate change Science and the Vaccines are a science based miracle juice and Biden won the election. LMAO! Guess you shall learn the hard way. So explain to me why America is funding these Bio-Labs and what are they for??
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Conflate much?
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Something along those lines, yeah.
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Chief of Staff to the NATO Secretary General, Stian Jenssen stated today that he believes a Solution to the ongoing War in Ukraine could be the Surrender of certain Territories, such as Crimea, to Russia in order to allow Ukraine to join the NATO Organization, with other Members of the Alliance having also spoken about this. He further stated that there are other ways but this is an Option which should be considered.
And Im sure the Russians are just going to jump all over that deal. LOL . After Ukraine agreed to be neutral in exchange for sovergienty, After they agreed to never join NATO, after NATO promised, not one inch eastward, after Angela Merkle admitted the Minsk agreements were signed only to buy time to arm Ukraine (for a coming war) After western globalists and hawks demanded the break up of Russia and Putin arrested , after turning down every possible deal the Russians offered before the war started NATO thinks its a good idea to offer the Russians lands they already have.
Something tells me that after Putin is done laughing, hes going to tell them to go fuck their mother
And Im sure the Russians are just going to jump all over that deal. LOL . After Ukraine agreed to be neutral in exchange for sovergienty, After they agreed to never join NATO, after NATO promised, not one inch eastward, after Angela Merkle admitted the Minsk agreements were signed only to buy time to arm Ukraine (for a coming war) After western globalists and hawks demanded the break up of Russia and Putin arrested , after turning down every possible deal the Russians offered before the war started NATO thinks its a good idea to offer the Russians lands they already have.
Something tells me that after Putin is done laughing, hes going to tell them to go fuck their mother
No but 47 is where we draw the line.
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So, you think the only alternative to believing 100% what's being fed to you by the MSM is to accept every moonbat theory anyone who isn't them is selling ?
I think I can rest my case about your research skills.
So, let me clue you in on a few things.
Corporations, The media, and the US and Russian governments aren't sentient entities. None of them has any wants, motives, nor desires.
All are led and staffed by real people, all of whom have their own agends. The people running one are just as bad as the people running the others.
Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin wanted a quick victory for domestic political reasons. It's likely he fell for a CIA operation hook line and sinker. He cares about Russia and it's people about as much as Biden, Obama, and Hillary care about America.
Climate "science" is one of the greatest grifts in history. At this point is has a life of its own, and is being used by a wide ranging group of interests who want to use is for everything from siphoning money off the gullible to destroying western civilization. It isn'⁰t *a* conspiracy. It's probably dozens of uncoordinated ones all feeding off each other.
Covid most likely came from a Chinese bioweapons research in Wuhan. It was partially funded by money kicked back to China by agents in the US government.
Nobody in the US government thought *we* were going to get a weapon out of it. The people who did it fall into 2 main categories. They were either patsies and dupes, or they were greedy bastards who DGAF what the US got out of it as long as it pleased their Chinese handlers.
As you why America was funding biolabs in Ukraine, you might as well ask why water is wet, it's just our nature. Some mid level bureaucrats saw an opportunity to funnel some money someplace they could make use of it, so they did. I doubt they cared what those labs did, or if they were ever successful. The only thing that mattered was that taxpayer money ended up passing through the right hands. See Solyndra for a good example of that.
Oh, and the earth is roughly spherical. If you magically produced a disk shaped object the size and composition of the earth, it would immediately collapse a very hot sphere, because there isn't a material strong enough to maintain that shape. Not now, and not even theoretically possible.
I know how to do research, and to decide for myself what conspiracy theories have merit and which are bullshit. Based on your belief that fucking *gravity* is a conspiracy theory, I am pretty sure you are utterly incapable.
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I don't see any resolution for this that doesn't end up with Putin at room temperature.
He may be extremely paranoid, and for good reason, but eventually he's going to piss off all the powerful people around him and even his extreme measures won't keep him alive.
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When Biden said in a press conference that Feb that there wasn't much we could do if Russia invaded Ukraine, I had flashbacks to 1991 when the CIA told Saddam through backchannels that we wouldn't object to his planned adventure in Kuwait.
spat
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Depends on whether the right people were getting a cut of the kickbacks or not. Russia is not a threat with anything other than their nuclear arsenal. The people with power in the US government sees them at worst as an annoyance to their global plans, and at best a plot device for siphoning off taxpayer money.
The closest equivalent of Ukraine joining NATO would be Mexico or Canada joining BRICS. That would be a much greater threat to us than Ukranian NATO membership is to Russia. It would likely precipitate our complete financial collapse actually.
And I *still* don't see us executing a full scale invasion over it.
The whole NATO thing is a red herring. NATO itself us completely defensive, by structure. It *can't* be a threat to anything other than interests of wanna be imperialists.
What actual threat would a NATO Ukraine be to Russia ? Ukraine couldn't invade Russia then invoke it's NATO membership. That's not how it works. NATO doesn't run the countries it has as members, it doesn't even have it's own troops.
There is *nothing* NATO membership gets for or does to a country besides make them invasion proof.
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It's called crimes agaist humanity! Bio-labs, Covid, Climate change garbage. All of it. You didn't know your country attempted to murder as many people as it could with Covid/Vaxx? LMAO! so you can't possiably trust a single thing being spewed out about Ukraine. All lies! Care to address the Biden Money laundering that has been going on in Ukraine? Or do you put a blind eye to that also?
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Wow, you really are gone.
Read what I've posted throughout this thread. I've been clear that I think the money laundering is the *primary* thing going on in Ukraine.
They didn't try to murder "as many people as they could". The concept is ludicrous. If that was their goal many *many* more people would have died.
And, no, you can't trust anything about Ukraine. Not the MSM, and not the ridiculous conspiracy theories either.
Nah, you are lost! You don't have a clue. You can't see it. Humanity is under attack across the world by nefarious forces. It's everywhere. Lies and deceit to enslave the masses. And yes they knew full well about covid and the vaxx knucklehead. It was all planned!
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Everyone KNEW that the closer we get to the 2024 Presidential Election, the less support for Ukraine there was going to be.
This was sold as just being a “Short War” against a Russian Paper Tiger
Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD), a co-chair of the congressional Ukraine Caucus, said this week that he’s not sure if the Ukraine war is "winnable" and called for the US to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to pursue peace talks.
"I think the time has come to realistically call for peace talks. I know President Zelensky doesn’t want it," Harris said. "But President Zelensky, without our help, he would abjectly lose the war. And with our help, he’s not winning. It’s a stalemate now."
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U.S. approves sending F-16s to Ukraine from Denmark and Netherlands, Reuters reports
The United States has approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands, according to an unnamed U.S. official, as reported by Reuters.The aircraft would be sent as soon as pilot training is completed, the report said.The news comes after air force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat reportedly told Ukrainian television Wednesday night it was “obvious” Ukraine would not have F-16 jets for fighting before the end of 2023.
(Denmark has a total of 30 F-16s)
A war of words erupts between NATO nations over sending troops to embattled Ukraine. Germany has declared that it will "never place troops in Ukraine." The big declaration was made by German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. The chancellor said that it is his aim to prevent a war with Russia. The remarks come as a NATO nation, Poland, is reportedly "ready to fight Russia" in Ukraine. The Polish media reports state that Warsaw could send soldiers to Ukraine.
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Pretty sure China is running half the research departments at *our* universities.
The political manipulation they are conducting *here* is far more dangerous than any bio lab.
China ships Fentanyl across our border by the ton.
But we do nothing.
So what makes you think we would do anything about biolabs in Mexico ?
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President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, at a joint press conference with Mette Frederiksen, Prime Minister of Denmark
Quote: "We are ready to exchange Belgorod for our membership in NATO."
Details: That is how Zelenskyy commented on proposals to exchange the territory of Ukraine for peace and NATO membership.
Frederiksen noted that it is up to Ukraine to decide whether to negotiate peace and when these negotiations should take place.
According to Zelenskyy, it is difficult to criticise the Ukrainian counteroffensive when the country’s forces do not have appropriate weapons. According to him, Ukraine will not risk the lives of thousands of defenders in order to advance up to 5-8 kilometres with no powerful weapons.
LOL. Im sure Putin is going to jump all over that offer, Lets see, he has Belograd now, and he has the Crimea and all the rest of the territory he took by force , So he is going to exchange Belograd for the territory he already has , that sounds like a hell of deal , leaves Russia in the same position as it was already in and in exchange Putin gets NATO troops in Belograd and Ukraine re arms . sounds great , Im surprised he didnt ask to fuck his wife too.
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Ummm........... Zelensky was trolling.
Belgorod was always in the Russian Federation. It's close to the Ukrainian border and constantly being shelled, but it was never Ukraine.
Zelensky pretending he is winning the war.
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Nobody in the West will report this
"The 'inadequate' leadership of Vladimir Zelensky has caused a national catastrophe in Ukraine and MPs should hold him accountable, according to Oleg Soskin, who served as an aide to two Ukrainian presidents.
The country’s economy has been 'destroyed' amid the conflict with Russia, he said in a video that was posted on his YouTube channel on Saturday.
'There’s no breakthrough anywhere' by Ukrainian forces on the front line, Soskin continued, adding that the public 'shouldn’t believe retired colonels,' who are speaking about Kiev’s military gains.
Zelensky’s insistence that Ukraine will defeat Russia and his reluctance to acknowledge the actual situation is a sign that the president is 'inadequate' both as a manager and a person, he said.
'Zelensky is just dangerous for the country. He’s simply dangerous for the people,' warned Soskin, who served as an aide to Ukrainian presidents Leonid Kravchuk in 1992 and 1993, and Leonid Kuchma between 1998 and 2000
"The 'inadequate' leadership of Vladimir Zelensky has caused a national catastrophe in Ukraine and MPs should hold him accountable, according to Oleg Soskin, who served as an aide to two Ukrainian presidents.
The country’s economy has been 'destroyed' amid the conflict with Russia, he said in a video that was posted on his YouTube channel on Saturday.
'There’s no breakthrough anywhere' by Ukrainian forces on the front line, Soskin continued, adding that the public 'shouldn’t believe retired colonels,' who are speaking about Kiev’s military gains.
Zelensky’s insistence that Ukraine will defeat Russia and his reluctance to acknowledge the actual situation is a sign that the president is 'inadequate' both as a manager and a person, he said.
'Zelensky is just dangerous for the country. He’s simply dangerous for the people,' warned Soskin, who served as an aide to Ukrainian presidents Leonid Kravchuk in 1992 and 1993, and Leonid Kuchma between 1998 and 2000
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I figured he say something like that either as a big fuck you to NATO or to show how the Russians refuse peace offers.