Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Sooner or later something would have come up that is more consequential to American public than who is in control of Avdeevka. Suprisingly it took that long. Driving to matches today and yesterday I listened to the radio, there wasn't a word about Ukraine in hours of news cycle. Also, the war to the last Ukranian to kill as many Russians is not something to rally around.
They will still do what they can to keep the conflict going, even while distansing themselves from the war.
They will still do what they can to keep the conflict going, even while distansing themselves from the war.
There are numerous reports of Ukrainian officers refusing suicide orders to advance.
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It is in the minds of Americans because a shitload of our tax dollars are being laundered over there, and because we got sucked into a major shit show twice last century in that same neighborhood.
You are saying it as if people in this country know anything about history.
spat
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Well, most people have at least heard of the world wars.
There were *a lot* of movies, so it's more a pop culture thing than a history thing. People know pop culture.
And they generally know they happened in Europe, and involved the Russians.
holdover
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Even yahoo is quietly saying "it's over"
www.businessinsider.com
Let that soak in. Anyone who knows anything about the military or history knows that when you're conscripting old men to the point where your average age of a soldier is 43 you're essentially running on fumes (literally). You've depleted all your "military aged males" and are now conscripting 45and 50 year olds.
This is what happened to countries like nazi Germany in 1945 they ran out of young men and drafted kids and grandpas. Ukraine is destroying their own country and demographics. It's a crime that the west is still using Ukrainian blood to fight the Russians. Anyone with a conscious should want this to be ended with a peace agreement ASAP to save what's left of Ukraine.
The average age of Ukrainian soldier is older than 40 as the country grapples with personnel problems
Casualties have raised the average age of a Ukrainian soldier by nearly 10 years since Russia invaded in February 2022.
www.businessinsider.com
Let that soak in. Anyone who knows anything about the military or history knows that when you're conscripting old men to the point where your average age of a soldier is 43 you're essentially running on fumes (literally). You've depleted all your "military aged males" and are now conscripting 45and 50 year olds.
This is what happened to countries like nazi Germany in 1945 they ran out of young men and drafted kids and grandpas. Ukraine is destroying their own country and demographics. It's a crime that the west is still using Ukrainian blood to fight the Russians. Anyone with a conscious should want this to be ended with a peace agreement ASAP to save what's left of Ukraine.
Even yahoo is quietly saying "it's over"
The average age of Ukrainian soldier is older than 40 as the country grapples with personnel problems
Casualties have raised the average age of a Ukrainian soldier by nearly 10 years since Russia invaded in February 2022.
Let that soak in. Anyone who knows anything about the military or history knows that when you're conscripting old men to the point where your average age of a soldier is 43 you're essentially running on fumes (literally). You've depleted all your "military aged males" and are now conscripting 45and 50 year olds.
This is what happened to countries like nazi Germany in 1945 they ran out of young men and drafted kids and grandpas. Ukraine is destroying their own country and demographics. It's a crime that the west is still using Ukrainian blood to fight the Russians. Anyone with a conscious should want this to be ended with a peace agreement ASAP to save what's left of Ukraine.
You mean Russia kicked the living shit out of Ukraine unlike MSM said? Imagine that.
I think they've both kicked the living shit out of each other and Ukraine ran out of men first, which everyone with a brain realized would happen. Do you think Russia is really going to miss their 100,000 KIA Wagner prisoner conscripts? Nope. They just did addition by subtraction. They are better off as a country deleting them from their population, no one is Russia is shedding a tear for the dead prisoners.
It's a savage war of attrition. I don't see how it's possible combined casualties are not in 7 digits.
The worst part to me is this war should not have happened.
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Zelensky: 'Absolutely Irresponsible' to Suggest Holding Elections in Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said discussions about the 2024 presidential election in his country were "absolutely irresponsible."
www.breitbart.com
Zelensky is now resorting to begging for credit on national television like a homeless man who wears the same green clothes everyday... while promising he'll surely pay everyone back while he jails Christian denominations, Ukranian advisors are dying to grenade laced birthday cakes and he refuses to seek a peace deal. To say that this is a disaster would be putting it mildly.
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holdover
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Pretty soon..... you know.
ArmedCorgi
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He's the Transportation Secretary. He's probably there to help Ukraine get their army moving. Or maybe just their trains..
War tourist. He may be aiming for the White House. He did run for it in the past.
holdover
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The only reason the Ukrainians are fighting so hard in Advika is because Zelensky heard the coke factory was about to be lost
holdover
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Yep. And now Israel.
holdover
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One way for America to save face if they dont want to keep sending money and aid is to whack Zelinsky . Lets see if it happens before March. Plus 24 is election year and it isnt going to play well . If a new guy gets in there , doesnt matter who , We wont support him because xxxxx. It doesnt look like we stabbed Ukraine in the back , its because of dude #2 . He's a bad guy. And dude #2 can sue for peace .
I doubt Putin will buy any of that shit , but the voters will
I doubt Putin will buy any of that shit , but the voters will
holdover
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Russians have a foothold in the south and north of Avdeevka, the Russian Pincers have closed to less than six miles,
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ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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The Morons in DC must be fucking drunk if they think Russia will ever consider a deal that doesn't include Odessa and half of Ukraine .
No freaking way do they give the Ukraine the ability to to rebuild their army and put NATO there. The stated goal is/was the break up of Russia and the death of Putin .Nobody wanted to talk to Russia before the invasion to avoid a war. Zelensky told Putin to go fuck himself . The US /EU plan to destroy the Russian economy and collapse Russia along ethnic lines backfired .
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As countless casualties have hampered Ukraine's forces, the average age of a soldier in the country is currently around 43 years old, Time magazine reported last week.
Ukraine does not release the number of deaths or injuries among its troops, but Western officials said in August the war's total casualty (killed and injured) toll was nearing 500,000.
Even if the US were to provide Ukraine with all the weapons it promised, a Zelenskyy aide told Time, Ukraine simply doesn't "have the men to use them."
In August, Zelenskyy fired the head of the draft offices in every region of the country amid concerns of conscription corruption. But the move backfired, a Ukrainian senior military officer told Time, and slowed recruitment efforts to an effective stop.
www.businessinsider.com
Zelensky feels betrayed by his Western allies. They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it.But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
(Yeah, He deluded himself since day 1, instead of listening to his people , He lead his people into a nightmare.)
At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?”
In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”
time.com
Even though its rarely mentioned , the morale of the Ukrainian army has to be at its lowest point after this past year, losing Bakmut , the costly and failed spring offensive (in summer)and the soon to be collapse of Advikia has to leave the field soldier wondering if his death would be in vain .
Ukraine does not release the number of deaths or injuries among its troops, but Western officials said in August the war's total casualty (killed and injured) toll was nearing 500,000.
Even if the US were to provide Ukraine with all the weapons it promised, a Zelenskyy aide told Time, Ukraine simply doesn't "have the men to use them."
In August, Zelenskyy fired the head of the draft offices in every region of the country amid concerns of conscription corruption. But the move backfired, a Ukrainian senior military officer told Time, and slowed recruitment efforts to an effective stop.
The average age of Ukrainian soldier is older than 40 as the country grapples with personnel problems
Casualties have raised the average age of a Ukrainian soldier by nearly 10 years since Russia invaded in February 2022.
www.businessinsider.com
Zelensky feels betrayed by his Western allies. They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it.But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
(Yeah, He deluded himself since day 1, instead of listening to his people , He lead his people into a nightmare.)
At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?”
In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”
Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight
“Nobody believes in our victory like I do. Nobody,” Zelensky told TIME in an interview after his trip to Washington, D.C.
time.com
Even though its rarely mentioned , the morale of the Ukrainian army has to be at its lowest point after this past year, losing Bakmut , the costly and failed spring offensive (in summer)and the soon to be collapse of Advikia has to leave the field soldier wondering if his death would be in vain .
I've mentioned this guy before. Great on economics and demographics, not as solid when it comes to politics (IMO). He's stated a couple of things in the past that could only have come from the intelligence agencies. In the clip below at the 11:00 minute mark he talks about how we are able to know where Putin is 24/7 and can hack his conversations in underground rooms with no electronics allowed. My reactions are:
a) how could this possibly be true
b) if it is true why on earth would the CIA let this guy talk about it in a public forum
He claims that Putin stopped the nuclear weapon saber rattling when the American ambassador explained we knew where he was at all times and what was said in his meetings prior to the invasion of ukraine. Like I said it sounds too fanciful to me. YMMV.
a) how could this possibly be true
b) if it is true why on earth would the CIA let this guy talk about it in a public forum
He claims that Putin stopped the nuclear weapon saber rattling when the American ambassador explained we knew where he was at all times and what was said in his meetings prior to the invasion of ukraine. Like I said it sounds too fanciful to me. YMMV.
holdover
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Peter Zeihan is shady and I found to be inaccurate but not stupid. I have suspicions he is a paid mouth piece
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Most of what he predicted on Ukraine turned out to be false. If U.S. could monitor Putin's whereabouts and his conversation, that would be top secret information, like breaking of German enigma codes during WWII. He is a BS artist.