Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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Two articles for your consideration. The first is a NY times report that admits there are multiple CIA bases in Ukraine. The tone is the CIA was reluctantly drawn into a closer cooperation with Ukraine based entirely on the request of the Ukrainians.

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The second is from the conservative tree house and helps interpret the spin in the NY times.
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Facing Catastrophic Consequences New York Times Now Outlines Construct of Ukraine as USA Proxy Province - The Last Refuge

I find it very interesting this report surfaces in the New York Times and not The Washington Post first. This material distinction showcases the motive for the outline is heavily domestic in nature; meaning, the core of domestic USA politics (specifically the White House) needs to admit that...
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The difference between the two is striking.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Zelensky and his puppet masters think they can win the war by asymmetric warfare as stated by Victoria Nulad. They are expending CIA run insurgent/terrorist training camps in Ukraine to operate inside Russia. Asymmetric warfare is terrorism and sabotage, CIA specialty.
Russians will not accept any deals that will leave CIA operational inside of what is left of Ukraine.
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His puppet masters are getting exactly what they want.

Even if Putin does end up dining in Kiev eventually, the cost to Russia has already been higher than the CIA could have ever dreamed.

They may need to rename the phrase Phyrric victory to Ukrainian Victory.
 
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spat said:
Even if Putin does end up dining in Kiev eventually, the cost to Russia has already been higher than the CIA could have ever dreamed.
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Nahh, the powers that be felt the combination of sanctions and war were going to collaspe Russia,and break her up, They estimated that all Ukraine had to do was to hold on until the inevitable collapse of the economic system in Russia . Ukraine would win and NATO would be there with bells on . Well plan A didnt work out, and plan B is just throwing good money after bad. that wont work either. Russia will have all the natural gas and farm lands in Ukraine and control the pipe lines to Europe , thier industry is on full blast, building new plants everyones working, food is cheap gas is cheap , they will come out of this like the US did during WW2.

Theres no path to victory for Ukraine, this is all a waste of lives, money and effort
 
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holdover said:
Theres no path to victory for Ukraine, this is all a waste of lives, money and effort
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Not to the cynical people in our deep state. Degrading russia was the goal. To them every ukrainian death was worth it.

It is astonishing to me the priorities of our government. Despite daily confirmation there is an actual invasion at our southern border with huge negative consequences, billions of dollars for ukraine is the top priority. And people wonder why trump is popular.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Flight 800. Planes land and take off. I am sure there is newer technology as well in 40 plus years.
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Correct, but I have read nothing to state that this was the case in this instance.

If we are to believe the talking heads, the most recent A50 was taken with a 1960's designed, S-200 SAM.
 
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Correct, but I have read nothing to state that this was the case in this instance.

If we are to believe the talking heads, the most recent A50 was taken with a 1960's designed, S-200 SAM.
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There is no official statement from the Russian side. Ukrainian/NATO side is just fairytales.
 
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There, this is the bright future for Ukraine, choreographed in Brussels and Washington. A picture is worth a thousand words.

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Ummm…. Did CO Dem Jason Crow just Describe the Military Industrial Complex Money Laundering Operation while shilling for Ukraine?

Let’s be clear…
• Ukraine has no chance in hell in defeating Russia… stop already.

• This does nothing for the average person, or the economy in a meaningful way.

• It not only lines the pockets of the military industrial complex, but it lines the pockets of crooked politicians in kickbacks.
 
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Defilade said:
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Ummm…. Did CO Dem Jason Crow just Describe the Military Industrial Complex Money Laundering Operation while shilling for Ukraine?

Let’s be clear…
• Ukraine has no chance in hell in defeating Russia… stop already.

• This does nothing for the average person, or the economy in a meaningful way.

• It not only lines the pockets of the military industrial complex, but it lines the pockets of crooked politicians in kickbacks.
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The fact that this policy is killing hundreds of thousands of people doesn't even enters this reptile's mind.
 
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spat said:
So what do the mothers and wives in Russia do when their husbands and sons are killed over a mud hole in a foreign land ?
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They burry their dead according to their traditions, unlike idiotic artificial routines created overseas to turn Ukraine into a death cult.
Standing on their knees is how kids were punished for misbehaving in the kindergarten. Reptiles who run Ukraine from Washington didn't even bother to check.
 
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SonOfSun said:
Depends on your perspective. I'd literally burn my house down before I let someone else just take it.

Even if Russia wins they will only get to be lord of the ashes.
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Take away Western radicalization and puppet government and people will live as they always lived. Divide was artificially created by outsiders, it is not organic.
 
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