Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
OH, Those commies over at Dream Works are more your style.
Robin
Robin
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Anyone who supports Disney is the enemy. Those also who support Climate Change, Ukraine, Vaxxers, open borders, Money Laundering to foreign shores. Ignorant Communists! You can't be on the side of America if you support these.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hell, I don't support any of them, or their subsidiaries.
Robin
Robin
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
As would I, but I wouldn't call that victory.
Well there's more than just ashes there.theres minerals, gas, richest farmland in the world strategic locations including Sevastopol which controls the whole black sea, . It's not about citys.citys cam be built. The land itself is rich. It also creates a massive buffer ,zone.
Again, this isn't a war of conquest.never was. It's a war of neccesity.. after screaming for the last 30 years that nato in Ukraine is a direct threat to Russia and would mean war, nato trys to move into Ukraine and acts surprised by ""Russian aggression ""
Things are getting more complicated with Transnistrian Parliament unanimously voting to ask Russia for protection. This happened after pro-Western Moldova placed economic squeeze on break away Republic of Transnistria.
There is no land connection to Russian held territories at this time. Transnistria has huge stockpiles of Soviet era ammo and artillery shells that Ukraine desperately needs. This is something to watch.
abcnews.go.com
There is no land connection to Russian held territories at this time. Transnistria has huge stockpiles of Soviet era ammo and artillery shells that Ukraine desperately needs. This is something to watch.
Moldovan breakaway region appeals to Russia as a spat with the pro-Western government worsens
Officials in Moldova’s Russia-backed breakaway region of Transnistria have appealed to Moscow for protection as tensions escalate with the pro-Western government
abcnews.go.com
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Can I get an Amen! Of course, I would assume the Russians have it rigged to blow in place in case of attack. It would have to be the Ukrainians to do it.
Franceand Britian are talking out their ass'es . Neither can field an army capable of beating the Russians thier militay has been gutted for the last 30 years, The Us did all the heavy lifting for NATO while these socialist bastards sat back and laughed Trump was the only one who made them pay into NATO . Well now here we are.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
I read Britain has about a Brigade of Infantry (2000 ? soldiers)
France has about a Division of Infantry (10,000 ?)
Don't we have 2 Brigades of one of our Airborne Divisions in Poland?
Luftwaffe is back in business. Fuck Europe and Fuck NATO.
spat
.950 JDJ
Our Navy's Army has the 5th largest Airforce in the world (Marine Corp Air wing)
Seriously, the USMC on it's own is one of the most capable militaries on the planet. Only China and Russia are really better, and after the Ukrainian shit show, even that is debatable.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
How did we come to this? Source: Operator 13 The NATO Air Force entered the territory of Ukraine to practice strikes on Crimea "Against the background of a published conversation between German generals about the attacks on the Crimean Bridge, three NATO aircraft flew into Ukrainian airspace from Romania today. Two F 16s and one F 35.
The planes simulated missile strikes from the territory of the Mykolaiv region in the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. Among other things, Patriot air defense systems and 3 mobile radars in the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions actively accompanied these three aircraft. In addition to practicing strikes on the Crimea, the F 35 aircraft actively tried to track the location of Russian radars and radar on the front line. The entire operation lasted about 32 minutes, after which all the planes left Ukrainian airspace.
We have already written that American fighters will be based in Romania. The peculiarity of the F-16 is their "capriciousness")) The runway needs to be perfectly smooth. There are no such people in Ukraine. The West is escalating the conflict, which will inevitably spread beyond the borders of Ukraine. But not with tank battles, but with missile strikes on NATO infrastructure." If Russia does not stop this trend of NATO escalation of the conflict, a major war is inevitable. Force can only be broken by force, not by impotent threats, no matter how terrible they are. Nuclear test explosions, strikes on NATO military installations involved in this war, can stop the escalation of the conflict on the part of NATO. Sergey Lavrov will not stop this.
Obviously done to locate radar and missile sites to hit at a later time. Looks like they want to hit that bridge again and Knock out the defenses before hand.
The planes simulated missile strikes from the territory of the Mykolaiv region in the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. Among other things, Patriot air defense systems and 3 mobile radars in the Kherson and Zaporizhia regions actively accompanied these three aircraft. In addition to practicing strikes on the Crimea, the F 35 aircraft actively tried to track the location of Russian radars and radar on the front line. The entire operation lasted about 32 minutes, after which all the planes left Ukrainian airspace.
We have already written that American fighters will be based in Romania. The peculiarity of the F-16 is their "capriciousness")) The runway needs to be perfectly smooth. There are no such people in Ukraine. The West is escalating the conflict, which will inevitably spread beyond the borders of Ukraine. But not with tank battles, but with missile strikes on NATO infrastructure." If Russia does not stop this trend of NATO escalation of the conflict, a major war is inevitable. Force can only be broken by force, not by impotent threats, no matter how terrible they are. Nuclear test explosions, strikes on NATO military installations involved in this war, can stop the escalation of the conflict on the part of NATO. Sergey Lavrov will not stop this.
Obviously done to locate radar and missile sites to hit at a later time. Looks like they want to hit that bridge again and Knock out the defenses before hand.
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Second Abrams tank destroyed in Ukraine. Russian soldiers thank Biden for giving them opportunity to earn extra income and offer Biden 10% of the bonus they get for each destroyed tank.
These dumbasses are playing a very dangerous game, and as an American citizen trying to mind my own business 5000 miles away I don't like it at all.
Stop trying to get us dragged into WW3 you greedy evil psychopaths.
I said earlier in this thread that Ukrainian (NATO donated) F16s will be based in Poland, the Baltics or Romania due to the infrastructure. How is Russia to know which country is flying the F16s out of those airfields that is attacking them? They won't. They will have to treat them all as hostile and they will have to attack their origination airfields.
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ManualF150
.308 Win
We are already in WW3, it's just that all the countries haven't finished setting up their play tactics.
I keep seeing shit on MSN and YouTube ads about what if "nukes hit the US" and "nukes hit all over"... and "what to do if nukes start falling"... and "what will nukes do to the weather"... this shit ain't just made up on whim. Folks know what is going to happen here in the next year or two.
I've made up my mind, I keep prepping, but know that in the back of my mind, I might be a casualty. Shitty situation, but the red flags are all over the place.
If I'm wrong, then thank God.
I think WW3 has already started most just don't realize it yet.
Ww2 wasn't "labeled" as being world war 2 in 1939, it was after the fact and 1939 was the date given on for the start. You could argue it started even earlier. But that's what historians on the winning side do, they write the history.
We're likely already in ww3 and at some point in the future there will be historians that look back as say... Oh looks like the best start date for WW3 was xx,xx,xxxx
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
Hillary should call a meeting of all world leaders, allies and non allies, and bring her infamous "reset" button.
It certainly impressed the Russian foreign minister in 2009. Maybe it would work now as well as it did then.
It certainly impressed the Russian foreign minister in 2009. Maybe it would work now as well as it did then.
spat
.950 JDJ
If this escalates into a full blown shooting war between NATO and Russia/China, then history will record the start date as Feb 24, 2022.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
With everything thats going on, British and French talking about ground troops, US recon flights into the war zone, Putin talking Nukes,US supplied weapons and advisors, foreign mercenaries, I can appreciate the concern, I think we are closer to war than the Cuban missile crisis. Personally, I dont think NATO is anywhere near ready to take on the Russians on the ground in Ukraine, Trump was bitching about how they were supposed to put 3% of thier GDP into the military and they didn't do it , We were doing all the spending, they were depending on aid from the US , They knew the US would back them 100% NATO or not , they didn't put the money into their defense forces and they are far weaker than they appear on paper.
The situation in Ukraine is now becoming critical , The west now realizes Ukraine is lost if they cant stop the Russians ,They either lose all of the Ukraine or just half its up to them That 60 billion in aid the US is withholding isnt going to do it. The west is going to have to get a peace agreement on any terms if they want to salvage Ukraine. That probably means getting rid of Zelensky. I thought march was going to be the time they did , but maybe not.
In any case, they need to force the Russians to the table by threatening to put NATO forces into Ukraine which means a nuclear war . Neither side wants a nuclear war, and they are going to avoid it . Ukraine isnt worth a nuclear war to either side .Troops are not marching to Washington Moscow or Berlin. I dont think anyone will pull that trigger. Unless their country is directly threatened, right now its not .
If NATO goes into Ukraine in force, or attempts to use air power as in a no fly zone and direct air support it will most definitely start WW3. No way around it . Thats why I believe its not going to happen. Its political posturing designed to give the Russians pause Because thats all they have left.
If you look at the US , France and Britain for the past 2 years, you can see they are not preparing for a major conflict , this was a signal to the Russians that NATO wasn't planning to jump into the fight. instead of concealing the fact that recruitment numbers have been down for last 2 years , they made it well known .
France Germany, Britian and US have a shit ton of concerns domestically. a draft to fight the Russians in Ukraine will end up in riots on the streets , It will be a hot mess . And then they would need a solid year to build up, train, and move pieces on the chess board.
I believe that Zelensky was told to make peace with Russia even if it means conceding Ukraine territory, He told the US to go fuck themselves , no way he was going to concede anything , he was going to fight. So the US is withholding aid . and one way or another he is going to have to concede parts of Ukraine. In order to have a negotiated settlement, the Russians have to surrender or zelensky must be replaced. Im betting the latter.
Sooner or later, zelensky will be probably taken out by a lucky ""Russian"" tomahawk missile Or information may be leaked to the Russians behind the scenes . A new leader will take his place that is willing to make a deal,( "" A traitor"") and the US and NATO can save face and avoid a third world war .I think we are going to hear a lot more about peace talks this spring.
Anyway, thats how I see it , I think we will all be OK . I think we have a lot more to worry about here in our country
The situation in Ukraine is now becoming critical , The west now realizes Ukraine is lost if they cant stop the Russians ,They either lose all of the Ukraine or just half its up to them That 60 billion in aid the US is withholding isnt going to do it. The west is going to have to get a peace agreement on any terms if they want to salvage Ukraine. That probably means getting rid of Zelensky. I thought march was going to be the time they did , but maybe not.
In any case, they need to force the Russians to the table by threatening to put NATO forces into Ukraine which means a nuclear war . Neither side wants a nuclear war, and they are going to avoid it . Ukraine isnt worth a nuclear war to either side .Troops are not marching to Washington Moscow or Berlin. I dont think anyone will pull that trigger. Unless their country is directly threatened, right now its not .
If NATO goes into Ukraine in force, or attempts to use air power as in a no fly zone and direct air support it will most definitely start WW3. No way around it . Thats why I believe its not going to happen. Its political posturing designed to give the Russians pause Because thats all they have left.
If you look at the US , France and Britain for the past 2 years, you can see they are not preparing for a major conflict , this was a signal to the Russians that NATO wasn't planning to jump into the fight. instead of concealing the fact that recruitment numbers have been down for last 2 years , they made it well known .
France Germany, Britian and US have a shit ton of concerns domestically. a draft to fight the Russians in Ukraine will end up in riots on the streets , It will be a hot mess . And then they would need a solid year to build up, train, and move pieces on the chess board.
I believe that Zelensky was told to make peace with Russia even if it means conceding Ukraine territory, He told the US to go fuck themselves , no way he was going to concede anything , he was going to fight. So the US is withholding aid . and one way or another he is going to have to concede parts of Ukraine. In order to have a negotiated settlement, the Russians have to surrender or zelensky must be replaced. Im betting the latter.
Sooner or later, zelensky will be probably taken out by a lucky ""Russian"" tomahawk missile Or information may be leaked to the Russians behind the scenes . A new leader will take his place that is willing to make a deal,( "" A traitor"") and the US and NATO can save face and avoid a third world war .I think we are going to hear a lot more about peace talks this spring.
Anyway, thats how I see it , I think we will all be OK . I think we have a lot more to worry about here in our country
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Most likely referring to Mariupol
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What a bunch of bullshit.
This is a momentous occasion, there is no right side!!!!!!! They are all corrupt. so, which is the wrongest? The blood thirsty aggressor Putin, easy peasy.
Robin
This is a momentous occasion, there is no right side!!!!!!! They are all corrupt. so, which is the wrongest? The blood thirsty aggressor Putin, easy peasy.
Robin
Putin took a shit on American belief in double standards. While many world leaders can only dream of doing this, Russia is big enough and strong enough to do it.
More Nazi stench coming from American backed Nazi spring in Ukraine.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Just my opinion guy. What specifically did you think was false?
The wrongest? Id say The side that illegally overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014 then armed them for the last 10 years , Id say the side that made zelensky turn down the peace offer knowing it meant war.
How is this any different than the Cuban missile crisis ?
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spat
.950 JDJ
For one, in the Cuban missile crisis, NATO and the Warsaw Pact were peers.
Russia is not a peer to NATO.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
What are you talking about?
spat
.950 JDJ
You asked how the Ukraine situation was different than the Cuban missile crisis.
I listed *one* of the ways.
Another is that Ukraine wasn't installing nuclear missiles that could hit Moscow before the warnings even sounded.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I fail to see the significance, another difference is that the Cubans speak Spanish.
Yeah, not yet.
spat
.950 JDJ
You fail to see the difference between a satellite state of a near peer enemy, and an recent ally of a much superior power ?
The bottom line is that the missiles in Cuba were a major escalation in what was a balanced power relationship.
Russia, and some on this forum, seem to be unwilling to acknowledge that the relationship between NATO and Russia is so massively unbalanced that any difference Ukraine could make is irrelevant.
Think of it this way. You have a gang standoff with 5 guys on each side, and one side is trying to bring in #6, that's going to completely change the dynamic of the situation.
But, if it's 5 guys on one side and 25 on the other, bringing in #26 doesn't matter much.
NATO would absolutely curb stomp Russia in a war, regardless of what Ukraine does. That's why Russia trying to make anything out of it is ridiculous.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That has absolutely nothing to do with a national threat on your border.
The fact that you cant grasp the strategic value of Ukraine explains why you dont know anything about the present conflict from a military perspective. This statement is completely wrong . Secondly, You prove my point that a Massively unbalanced military in NATO's favor on the border with Russia IS A DIRECT THREAT to the national security of Russia .
Cuba's military was not a direct threat to the US until it allowed Russian nukes to be installed . Then it was a big problem. It wasnt the fact that they were allied with the Warsaw pact that made them a threat. It was because of the strategic location of Russian nuclear weapons . It had nothing to do with the size of Cubas military added to the Warsaw pact. They were already a part of the Warsaw pact.
Of course NATO missiles , and large military bases were not installed in Ukraine at the time the war broke out, but that was the goal of NATO. The whole point of NATO allowing/pushing Ukraine into NATO was to put pressure on Russia. Every NATO country has missiles pointed toward Russia and NATO troops stationed there. Would be no different with Ukraine.
Once Ukraine joined NATO The Russians could not stop it from happening , they were forced to act before Ukraine was a NATO member .Once Ukraine was part of NATO the Russians were fucked. It was now or never.
Putin said just as much the other day. And again, you point out NATOS ability to crush Russia while ""not being a threat to Russia""demonstrates a direct threat to Russia in it self. You just proved Putins point.
Your opinion that NATO bases, and missiles on Russia's border make no difference and are no threat to Russia is ridiculous and demonstrates that you dont understand military affairs . I cant argue with it. its a non starter. You cant even recognize this obvious and simple fact.
During the Cuban missile crisis, the US saw the Russian bases and missiles as a direct threat to is national security and acted to protect itself . The hypocrisy and arrogance that only the US can act in its own best national security interests is laughable . If the US was justified to take action against Cuba to protect its national security then that same concept can and should be applied to Russia.
The last 2 times Russia was invaded , it was invaded from the West. Napoleon, actually captured Moscow . The last time was less than 100 years ago and killed 20 million Russians and destroyed its citys . Now the west is attempting to put armies on its borders and you think they are paranoid? you think they are fools? After breaking promise after promise not to expand east , they are to be trusted? Ask the American Indian about the promises the US made to them. They are not worth the paper they are printed on
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who was against joining NATO was over thrown by the CIA backed Maidan "'color "" revolution in 2014 and was replaced by president Oleksandr Turchynov who immediately saw Russia as a threat and wanted to join NATO. In 2014 the West began arming and training Ukraine .
The Russian language was banned.
Russian citizens not allowed to vote.
West arming the Ukraine.
Ukraine wants to join NATO sees Russia as a threat.
KYIV -- Russian voters in Ukraine were blocked from casting their ballots in Russia's presidential election on March 18, as Ukrainian authorities stepped up security outside diplomatic facilitates and nationalists staged anti-Moscow protests.
www.rferl.org
Georgia joining NATO?
What in Gods name was Putin supposed to think?
The bigger picture is that Russia is not under the control of globalists and bankers . they wont go along with the program. they are a thorn in the side of the elitists who want to control Russian markets . Russia is an independent nation that makes its own decisions based on its own policys . it doesnt take orders from the world economic forum, or the world health organization .and any other bullshit globalist bullshit organizations .
The wests plan was to destroy the Russian economy break her up into several regions while avoiding a nuclear war . It didn't work .
The fact that you cant grasp the strategic value of Ukraine explains why you dont know anything about the present conflict from a military perspective. This statement is completely wrong . Secondly, You prove my point that a Massively unbalanced military in NATO's favor on the border with Russia IS A DIRECT THREAT to the national security of Russia .
Cuba's military was not a direct threat to the US until it allowed Russian nukes to be installed . Then it was a big problem. It wasnt the fact that they were allied with the Warsaw pact that made them a threat. It was because of the strategic location of Russian nuclear weapons . It had nothing to do with the size of Cubas military added to the Warsaw pact. They were already a part of the Warsaw pact.
Of course NATO missiles , and large military bases were not installed in Ukraine at the time the war broke out, but that was the goal of NATO. The whole point of NATO allowing/pushing Ukraine into NATO was to put pressure on Russia. Every NATO country has missiles pointed toward Russia and NATO troops stationed there. Would be no different with Ukraine.
Once Ukraine joined NATO The Russians could not stop it from happening , they were forced to act before Ukraine was a NATO member .Once Ukraine was part of NATO the Russians were fucked. It was now or never.
Putin said just as much the other day. And again, you point out NATOS ability to crush Russia while ""not being a threat to Russia""demonstrates a direct threat to Russia in it self. You just proved Putins point.
Your opinion that NATO bases, and missiles on Russia's border make no difference and are no threat to Russia is ridiculous and demonstrates that you dont understand military affairs . I cant argue with it. its a non starter. You cant even recognize this obvious and simple fact.
During the Cuban missile crisis, the US saw the Russian bases and missiles as a direct threat to is national security and acted to protect itself . The hypocrisy and arrogance that only the US can act in its own best national security interests is laughable . If the US was justified to take action against Cuba to protect its national security then that same concept can and should be applied to Russia.
The last 2 times Russia was invaded , it was invaded from the West. Napoleon, actually captured Moscow . The last time was less than 100 years ago and killed 20 million Russians and destroyed its citys . Now the west is attempting to put armies on its borders and you think they are paranoid? you think they are fools? After breaking promise after promise not to expand east , they are to be trusted? Ask the American Indian about the promises the US made to them. They are not worth the paper they are printed on
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who was against joining NATO was over thrown by the CIA backed Maidan "'color "" revolution in 2014 and was replaced by president Oleksandr Turchynov who immediately saw Russia as a threat and wanted to join NATO. In 2014 the West began arming and training Ukraine .
The Russian language was banned.
Russian citizens not allowed to vote.
West arming the Ukraine.
Ukraine wants to join NATO sees Russia as a threat.
KYIV -- Russian voters in Ukraine were blocked from casting their ballots in Russia's presidential election on March 18, as Ukrainian authorities stepped up security outside diplomatic facilitates and nationalists staged anti-Moscow protests.
Russians In Ukraine Blocked From Voting In Presidential Election
Russian voters in Ukraine were blocked from casting their ballots in Russia's presidential election on March 18, as Ukrainian authorities stepped up security outside diplomatic facilitates and nationalists staged anti-Moscow protests.
www.rferl.org
Georgia joining NATO?
What in Gods name was Putin supposed to think?
The bigger picture is that Russia is not under the control of globalists and bankers . they wont go along with the program. they are a thorn in the side of the elitists who want to control Russian markets . Russia is an independent nation that makes its own decisions based on its own policys . it doesnt take orders from the world economic forum, or the world health organization .and any other bullshit globalist bullshit organizations .
The wests plan was to destroy the Russian economy break her up into several regions while avoiding a nuclear war . It didn't work .