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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Belarus is not even a good ally, much less a puppet state. There is a mutual defense treaty between Russia and Belarus. They were obligated to send troops when Kursk region was invaded. They never did.
""aversion to civilian casualties?"" LOL, YES. the reason they havent destroyed Hamas is because of an aversion to military casualties.
The cost in Isreali lives would be more than they are willing to pay. Its a stalingrad /Bakmut /Falluja dogfight
The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.
The agency said the high number was largely due to Israel's use of weapons with wide-area effects in densely populated areas, although some deaths may have been the result of errant projectiles by Palestinian armed groups.
The report said it found "unprecedented" levels of international law violations, raising concerns about "war crimes and other possible atrocity crimes".
GENEVA (10 October 2024) – Israel has perpetrated a concerted policy to destroy Gaza’s healthcare system as part of a broader assault on Gaza, committing war crimes and the crime against humanity of extermination with relentless and deliberate attacks on medical personnel and facilities, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today.
The report said the data indicates "an apparent indifference to the death of civilians and the impact of the means and methods of warfare".
Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry, whose figures the UN sees as reliable, has reported a death toll of more than 43,300 people over the past 13 months. Many more bodies are believed to remain under the rubble of bombarded buildings.
UN Human Rights Chief Volker Türk said in a statement that "this unprecedented level of killing, and injury of civilians is a direct consequence of the failure to comply with fundamental principles of international humanitarian law".
Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead women and children - UN
A UN agency verified victims from a six-month period and said it found international law violations.www.bbc.com
LOL WOW, Ok
When Isreal counter attacked Iran OTOH, they hit every target they aimed at with impunity.
With US help. It was our air tankers that gave them the ability. and most likely some of our aircraft also.
Wow!
RedBreast21
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Wait lol
NATO has been attacking Russia for almost 3 years by proxy. No secret. But has been buying NG from Putin and getting it delivered through a pipeline in Kiev? This certainly explains things now. Think this going to war with Russia is really about an invasion and how bad Putin is?
At the same time now....
The best bars and clubs to attend in Kiev Ukraine 2024
The 11 best bars with live music in Kyiv
We've collected the most-often-mentioned 11 places from other articles, including favorites like Alchemist Bar, Barman Dictat, and Loggerhead
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Now it makes sense why Kiev hasn't been leveled. Bombed into the stone age, doesn't it? Rumored that the city added 19 more clubs of which are connected to Zelensky's regime. lol
"Glory be Ukraine!" The cries of the desperate Ukrainians as evil Russia invades.
"Putin is evil....." The western media touts nightly for your continued support. Right wingers blood thirsty to go war! We have F35's, advanced missiles.......tech the Russians have never seen. We can destroy Russia in a week! Some say here. All this BS as Putin honors a western agreement to supply NG to millions in the EU. Who's tax money is being sent to Ukraine along with weapons, ammo, NATO organization help to kill Russians, intel....ect.
Then there's the desperate attempts through western social media to report Ukraine is winning! Winning I tell ya. Just look at all those Russians being killed in tanks, burned in the trenches, ...ect, all by drones........this is over in a week!
People need to wake the fuck up. Seriously.
Who turned the gas off? Zelensky.
Why? Likely to leverage the west for continued support or an escape plan after he made billions.
Ukraine war was and is an investment venture. Costing <200k Ukrainian and Russian lives. Some here willing to commit American lives
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Ukrainian soldiers training in France are going AWOL in France and deserting in large numbers in Ukraine.
I guess it's a part of French training
I guess it's a part of French training
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Ukrainian soldiers are found chained to prevent their desertion.
holdover
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yeah, some people think the reason they couldn't take Gaza in one year was because they were trying to avoid civilian casualties . even though they wont allow aid in or bombed every hospital and shut off the water.
holdover
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Without US aid the Ukraine army will collapse withen 3-6 months . the US pays for the entire government and military. No money, no war.
Im pretty sure Trump already made his deal with Putin , Zelensky just hasnt figured it out yet. Now its up to him to figure it out.
Im pretty sure Trump already made his deal with Putin , Zelensky just hasnt figured it out yet. Now its up to him to figure it out.
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Ukraine may cease to exist if serious negotiations do not take place before summer according to the head of the Ukrainian Military Intelligence (HUR), Kyrylo Budanov.
spat
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If they gave it the Dresden treatment they could take Gaza in 24 hours.
Maybe a little longer if they have to wait for the place to cool down before moving in.
It is absolutely because they want to avoid civilian casualties.
If this was Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, or Jordan, they would have killed everyone in Gaza who ever held a gun in the first 2 weeks.
The IDF can absolutely curb stomp the armies of Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan all at once. They've done it before, and they're a lot stronger now.
Yeah and we know why the IDF is so strong. USA being bribed with the AIPAC lobbies. And AIPAC is a foreign agent
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I think Bibi Netanyahu would disagree with you.
During his January 11, 2024 plea to the International Court of Justice to establish Israel’s genocidal intent towards the Palestinian people, South African lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi recalled Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s October 28, 2023 address to the Israeli armed forces, urging them to “remember what Amalek did to [them]”.
"" You must remember what Almelk has done to you""
Netanyahu refers to the Palestinians as "Amalek", who are the staunch enemies of the Israelites in the Old Testament.
Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God. When the Lord your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget! (Dt 25.17-19)
1 Samuel 15:3 KJV
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,and ass
Lets be honest, these people fucking hate each other, They just had 1200 people killed in thier homes . they are fucking enemy's, dont try to sell me this bullshit that want to limit civilian casualties . like this is some kind border dispute
The difference is the Israelis would be fine living next to the palestinians if the goat fuckers would stop trying to kill all the Israelis. After a certain point it's obvious there can be no palestinians in gaza. They will never stop trying to kill the Israelis. I am indifferent as to the method used to remove the palestinians. Ideally they would be resettled in arab countries, but that won't happen because no one wants them. If they want to fight a war to the death they should be prepared to be on the losing side of that notion.
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The Isrealis are fully capable of carpet bombing Gaza.
The only reason they don't is humanitarian restraint.
From a strictly military perspective that would absolutely be the right answer for them. "There's some Hamas fighters in that block over there, destroy that block over there".
So, why do *you* think they aren't doing that ?
And WTF are you talking about "border dispute" ? What border ?
holdover
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Have you looked at Gaza? Seems like they did 75000 dead in one city, but it wasnt enough. the UN screaming war crimes , they backed off with UN and US pressure
Look they have no love for these people , They kill each other for sport Neither side would take compassion on the other , If I were there, one side or the other I'd probably feel the same
Look they have no love for these people , They kill each other for sport Neither side would take compassion on the other , If I were there, one side or the other I'd probably feel the same
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Oh is that right? Well ask the Palestinians whose land and homes were taken from them to make way for Isreali familys how they felt about it .
All Im saying is that both sides have sins here, this isnt a one way street , with the bad guys here and the good guys there, its a lot of fucking grey man, The Palestinians are ready to die, they dont have a lot of choice in the matter they were living in a prison they got no where to go , fuck yeah they are going to fight , same as you or I would
Dont get me wrong, I have no love for these people, Im not related to these people, And I really dont care about them or the Isrealis , Not personal , just dont give a fuck , but when I see horrible things like White phosphorous being dropped on civilians then told they are concerned about civilian casualties . give me a break. an eye for an eye, I get it , Isreal has taken its pound of flesh , They dont have to kill all of them
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"Palestinians" didn't exist prior to the war.
They were Egyptian, Jordanian, etc...
Then those countries attacked Isreal and got their asses kicked.
*now* suddenly the 60k or so people living in the land that they lost become "a people", subsisting entirely on UN aid and reproducing like rabbits. Fuck that.
The "Palestinians" could have integrated into Isreali society like the Druz or other groups have and become quite prosperous, but they let the other Arabs and especially Persians manipulate them into being their whipping boy.
Should just ship the entire lot of them to Iran.
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If the Isreali goal was genocide there wouldn't be any Palestinians left by Tuesday.
Anything less is Isreal showing restraint.
Now, you can argue that the restraint is a result of international pressure, and there's certainly an element of that involved. A debate on "how much" that was a factor is probably pointless here.
But, the fact that Isreal isn't just going in and killing everyone they see is evidence of restraint
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You say 75k dead proves they aren't showing restraint. I say the fact that it isn't 750k proves they are.
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Amnesty International:
As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes.
The organization spoke to survivors and eyewitnesses, analysed satellite imagery, and verified photos and videos to investigate air bombardments carried out by Israeli forces between 7 and 12 October, which caused horrific destruction, and in some cases wiped out entire families. Here the organization presents an in-depth analysis of its findings in five of these unlawful attacks. In each of these cases, Israeli attacks violated international humanitarian law, including by failing to take feasible precautions to spare civilians, or by carrying out indiscriminate attacks that failed to distinguish between civilians and military objectives, or by carrying out attacks that may have been directed against civilian objects.
“In their stated intent to use all means to destroy Hamas, Israeli forces have shown a shocking disregard for civilian lives. They have pulverized street after street of residential buildings killing civilians on a mass scale and destroying essential infrastructure, while new restrictions mean Gaza is fast running out of water, medicine, fuel and electricity. Testimonies from eyewitness and survivors highlighted, again and again, how Israeli attacks decimated Palestinian families, causing such destruction that surviving relatives have little but rubble to remember their loved ones by,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.
Amnesty International is continuing to investigate dozens of attacks in Gaza. This output focuses on five unlawful attacks which struck residential buildings, a refugee camp, a family home and a public market. The Israeli army claims it only attacks military targets, but in a number of cases Amnesty International found no evidence of the presence of fighters or other military objectives in the vicinity at the time of the attacks. Amnesty International also found that the Israeli military failed to take all feasible precautions ahead of attacks including by not giving Palestinian civilians effective prior warnings – in some cases they did not warn civilians at all and in others they issued inadequate warnings.
“Our research points to damning evidence of war crimes in Israel’s bombing campaign that must be urgently investigated. Decades of impunity and injustice and the unprecedented level of death and destruction of the current offensive will only result in further violence and instability in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories,” said Agnès Callamard.
www.amnesty.org
GENEVA (10 October 2024) – Israel has perpetrated a concerted policy to destroy Gaza’s healthcare system as part of a broader assault on Gaza, committing war crimes and the crime against humanity of extermination with relentless and deliberate attacks on medical personnel and facilities, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today.
As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes.
The organization spoke to survivors and eyewitnesses, analysed satellite imagery, and verified photos and videos to investigate air bombardments carried out by Israeli forces between 7 and 12 October, which caused horrific destruction, and in some cases wiped out entire families. Here the organization presents an in-depth analysis of its findings in five of these unlawful attacks. In each of these cases, Israeli attacks violated international humanitarian law, including by failing to take feasible precautions to spare civilians, or by carrying out indiscriminate attacks that failed to distinguish between civilians and military objectives, or by carrying out attacks that may have been directed against civilian objects.
“In their stated intent to use all means to destroy Hamas, Israeli forces have shown a shocking disregard for civilian lives. They have pulverized street after street of residential buildings killing civilians on a mass scale and destroying essential infrastructure, while new restrictions mean Gaza is fast running out of water, medicine, fuel and electricity. Testimonies from eyewitness and survivors highlighted, again and again, how Israeli attacks decimated Palestinian families, causing such destruction that surviving relatives have little but rubble to remember their loved ones by,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.
Amnesty International is continuing to investigate dozens of attacks in Gaza. This output focuses on five unlawful attacks which struck residential buildings, a refugee camp, a family home and a public market. The Israeli army claims it only attacks military targets, but in a number of cases Amnesty International found no evidence of the presence of fighters or other military objectives in the vicinity at the time of the attacks. Amnesty International also found that the Israeli military failed to take all feasible precautions ahead of attacks including by not giving Palestinian civilians effective prior warnings – in some cases they did not warn civilians at all and in others they issued inadequate warnings.
“Our research points to damning evidence of war crimes in Israel’s bombing campaign that must be urgently investigated. Decades of impunity and injustice and the unprecedented level of death and destruction of the current offensive will only result in further violence and instability in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories,” said Agnès Callamard.
Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza
Amnesty International has documented damning evidence of war crimes.
www.amnesty.org
GENEVA (10 October 2024) – Israel has perpetrated a concerted policy to destroy Gaza’s healthcare system as part of a broader assault on Gaza, committing war crimes and the crime against humanity of extermination with relentless and deliberate attacks on medical personnel and facilities, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today.
People trying to make out these Palestinians as a separate people, like Germans or French. They are simply A rabs. Nothing more, nothing less. They are all the same peoples.
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whatever you say.
spat
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Are you saying that the only reason there aren't 750k dead Palestinians in this latest round is because the IDF isn't capable of killing them ?
Anything else means they are showing restraint.
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Restraint or international pressure? Im going with international pressure. If they could do it without to much issue they would . they would finish the job.
Question...Historically was Palestine ever a country?
Answer..... No, there was never a sovereign, independent country with the name Palestine. The wording Palestine came into use after the Romans put down the second uprising of the Israelites in 135 AD and renamed their province Yehuda into Syria Palestina.
Answer..... No, there was never a sovereign, independent country with the name Palestine. The wording Palestine came into use after the Romans put down the second uprising of the Israelites in 135 AD and renamed their province Yehuda into Syria Palestina.
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Historical Map of Palestine under Joshua and the Judges (1250-1125 B.C.) there is no Israel
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Heres some of the history of the area, I skiped the early and later periods for brevity, but Ill link it
en.wikipedia.org
Allowing for varying starting dates (see above under Roman period), this timeline chooses for convenience's sake to set the starting year of the Byzantine period as 313, when Constantine declared Christianity a permitted religion. The period ends with the Muslim conquest of Palestine in 637–641.
The Madaba Map depiction of 6th-century Jerusalem
Timeline of the Palestine region - Wikipedia
Allowing for varying starting dates (see above under Roman period), this timeline chooses for convenience's sake to set the starting year of the Byzantine period as 313, when Constantine declared Christianity a permitted religion. The period ends with the Muslim conquest of Palestine in 637–641.
- 313 – Roman co-emperors Constantine I and Licinius declare that Christianity is an acceptable religion.[73]
- 324 – Constantine—having defeated Emperor Maximian, Caesar of the Western Roman Empire at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge—becomes the sole ruler of the re-united Roman Empire with its capital at Byzantium (New Rome). Queen Helena, a devout Christian, wife of Eastern Roman Emperor Constantius and mother of Constantine the Great, departs for the Holy Land and begins the construction of churches.
- 326–333 – Concurrent construction of the world's first 4 state-sponsored purpose-built churches under the tutelage of Constantine and Helena: the Church of the Nativity is built in Bethlehem, marking the site where according to Christian tradition Jesus was born; "Eleona" (Greek: Olive) on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, also called "Chapel of the Apostles", marking the site where, according to Christian tradition, Jesus ascended to heaven; the Church of the Holy Cross,[citation needed] later called the Church of the Resurrection and Church of the Holy Sepulchre, is built in Jerusalem around the hill of Golgotha, marking the site where, according to Christian tradition, Jesus was crucified, buried, and resurrected; and the basilica of St. George at Mamre (Ramat el-Khalil), near Hebron.
- c. 350 – The Christian monk Hilarion founds the first church in Haluza and converts a large portion of the population.[74]
- 351/2 – Jewish revolt centered around Sepphoris against the Caesar of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Emperor Constantius Gallus. The revolt is quickly subdued by Gallus' general Ursicinus.[75]
- c. 357 – Palestine is divided into the provinces Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Salutaris.[76]
- 361–363 – Roman emperor Julian the Apostate orders Alypius of Antioch to rebuild the Jewish Temple.[77]
- 363 – An earthquake with its epicenter in the Galilee rocks Palestine.[78] The earthquake results in, among other things, a halt in the construction of the Jewish Temple, mainly because it ruins the early stages of the construction. Ultimately the plan to rebuild the Temple is scrapped after the death of emperor Julian in June 363.
- 374/5 – Melania the Elder founds a monastery on the Mount of Olives which also functions as a hostel for pilgrims.[74]
- c. 400 – Palestine proper is split into the provinces Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda. Palaestina Salutaris is renamed Palaestina Tertia.[79]
- 425 – The Sanhedrin is disbanded by the Byzantine Empire.
The Madaba Map depiction of 6th-century Jerusalem- 438-439 – Empress Aelia Eudocia Augusta visits Jerusalem for the first time.[80]
- 451 – The Council of Chalcedon declares that Jerusalem shall be a patriachate.[81]
- 484 – Samaritans revolt as Emperor Zeno has a church built on their holy mountain, Gerizim.[82]
- 529 – The Samaritans rebel against the Romans.[83] Samaritanism loses its religio licita status as punishment.[84]
- 541/2 – The bubonic plague sweeps Palestine.[8]
- 555/6 – Uprising by Samaritans and Jews centered around Caesarea.[85]
- 571 – Muhammad, founder of Islam, is born in Mecca.[73]
- 613 – The Sasanian Empire (Persian Empire) captures several Palestinian cities on the coast.[86]
- 614 May – The Sasanian Empire under general Shahrbaraz captures and sacks Jerusalem;[86] the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is damaged by fire and the True Cross is captured.[86]
- 629 – Byzantine Emperor Heraclius retakes Jerusalem after the decisive defeat of the Sassanid Empire at the Battle of Nineveh in 627. Heraclius personally returns the True Cross to the city.[87]
- 634 February 4 – The Rashidun Caliphate defeats a 300-man-strong Byzantine force led by Dux Sergius at the Battle of Dathin, near Gaza.[88]