UnitedHealthcare CEO shot, killed outside Midtown Manhattan hotel; suspect sought

Cavalry

Cavalry

.338 Win Mag
Messages
5,528
Reaction score
9,591
Location
Behind Enemy Lines
Brawny71 said:
It depends on the level of crime. Speeding across the border is not a federal crime. Speeding across three states being pursued by law enforcement after conducting a mass shooting can be. Planning a bombing, making the bomb, going to another state can become federal. Making it federal lessens the jurisdiction fights between states.
Click to expand...
While this may be true I have to think its more because of who the victim was like @GOPerfect has mentioned.
Last year that dude from Nevada rented a UHaul in Florida then drove it to Brooklyn and decided to drive over people there. That panned out as a State crime not Fed. One might speculate it was because of his mental state at the time, but the shooter in this event does not appear to be in a proper mental state either.
 
J

jimc

.223 Rem
Messages
1,458
Reaction score
2,658
Location
Broome County
GOPerfect said:
I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.
Click to expand...

Maybe so a D president can pardon him in the future?
 
spat

spat

.950 JDJ
Messages
32,078
Reaction score
68,016
Location
Formerly Geneseo, NY. Now free in AZ
GOPerfect said:
Just digging into this..... Not arguing or sticking up for the suspected shooter...

Are you saying it is a Federal crime when a person leaves one State, goes to another and commits a crime?
Click to expand...
There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

Some examples are below.

Most of that stuff is only illegal at the state level. But if you traveled interstate to commit it, then it becomes a major federal crime.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

 
GOPerfect

GOPerfect

.950 JDJ
U.S. Military
Messages
34,021
Reaction score
78,128
Location
None
spat said:
There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

Some examples are below.

Most of that stuff is only illegal at the state level. But if you traveled interstate to commit it, then it becomes a major federal crime.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.

Click to expand...


I understand this. I am just curious of what is so special about this simple murder. It is not any different than most murders in the US.

Why is this one so important to bring in the Feds?

Cause the guy is a millionaire and has a higher position with his job?
 
spat

spat

.950 JDJ
Messages
32,078
Reaction score
68,016
Location
Formerly Geneseo, NY. Now free in AZ
GOPerfect said:
I understand this. I am just curious of what is so special about this simple murder. It is not any different than most murders in the US.

Why is this one so important to bring in the Feds?

Cause the guy is a millionaire and has a higher position with his job?
Click to expand...
Yes, that is the real reason.

That's not how it should be. Every murdered gas station attendant should be treated with as much attention.

But, that's how it is.

It's interesting that they treat this as far more important than a murdered cop, even though the law says the opposite.

Not that I agree with that law, but that's what the law is in NY.
 
Beerman

Beerman

6.5 Creedmoor
Messages
2,296
Reaction score
3,490
Location
Deep in the Adirondacks
spat said:
There are a lot of federal crimes that are only federal crimes if they involve interstate activities.

I.e. hiring a hooker isn't generally a major crime.

Hiring one on the internet from a neighboring state can get you 5 years.
Click to expand...
Matt Gaetz suggests you up your state border crime game and take your underage whores to the Bahamas. :beer:
 
SomeSoldier

SomeSoldier

.450/400 Nitro Ex
U.S. Military
Messages
10,452
Reaction score
20,204
Location
Florida
GOPerfect said:
I just find it interesting that the Feds decided to get involved in this case....

Less than 1/10 of 1% of murders like this get charged at the federal level.

Gotta ask why now? Why this case? Because a wealthy was involved. Weird.
Click to expand...

I see what you're doing.
 
SonOfSun

SonOfSun

.338 Win Mag
Messages
5,188
Reaction score
6,464
Location
WNY
GOPerfect said:
Someone, anyone....

Can anyone explain why this murder is so different than any of the other 1000's of murders in the US?

Why and how does this reach the Federal Murder level?

nypost.com

Luigi Mangione hit with federal charges, making him eligible for death penalty, as he arrives in New York

Federal authorities unsealed the complaint Thursday in the high-profile case, which will proceed in parallel with the New York case in which he’s facing 11-counts at the state level.
nypost.com nypost.com
Click to expand...

He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.
 
libertysnake

libertysnake

.338 Win Mag
Messages
8,860
Reaction score
16,438
Location
New York
SonOfSun said:
He's a CEO so he is "important". You aren't. You're just a worthless fucking citizen.


That's the answer.
Click to expand...
These are the messages I'm getting.

Message 1: No one is above the law. We're all equal.
Message 2: This rich guy deserves a serious investigation unlike all the inner city black people that are gunned down each day.

If anything the very fact this is getting such high profile treatment just provides more evidence for classism and unequal treatment.
 
GOPerfect

GOPerfect

.950 JDJ
U.S. Military
Messages
34,021
Reaction score
78,128
Location
None
libertysnake said:
These are the messages I'm getting.

Message 1: No one is above the law. We're all equal.
Message 2: This rich guy deserves a serious investigation unlike all the inner city black people that are gunned down each day.

If anything the very fact this is getting such high profile treatment just provides more evidence for classism and unequal treatment.
Click to expand...

The above the law thing... There are so many levels of law in the US.

The list is endless.

One of the simplest examples that I can think of....

I am still on the job, I pull you over for excessive speed. We are pals on the forum and we speak on the phone. You're a buddy.... I will not be issuing that ticket.

Are you above the law? Yes, in this case you are.
 
SonOfSun

SonOfSun

.338 Win Mag
Messages
5,188
Reaction score
6,464
Location
WNY
Defilade said:
We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!
Click to expand...
I was more pointing out how the people that make the decisions feel. I'm not the one directing the resources. If I was, the CEO would be given the same priority as any other person. If that's not good enough for the CEO, then it's not good enough for everyone else.
 
Robin

Robin

.577 Tyrannosaur.
Messages
21,843
Reaction score
48,000
Location
Livingston County
Defilade said:
We have a National Holiday (Veterans Day) because of @GOPerfect . The CEO is the worthless fucking citizen!
Click to expand...
No, he was a man going about his life the best as he saw fit, a husband and father providing for his family who was ruthlessly gunned down, shot in the back , on camera, on a public street, by a valueless coward.
Robin
 
Bigfoot

Bigfoot

.577 Tyrannosaur.
Messages
20,394
Reaction score
51,412
Location
Genesee County
C3D said:
Judge has ruled no death penalty for Mangione despite his being a cold blooded premeditated assassin. WTF?

The judge is of course a Biden appointee.

View attachment 278725


en.wikipedia.org

Margaret Garnett - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Click to expand...

The leftist eyeglasses fit. What I mean by that is the leftists always have the larger rimmed glasses. This here isn't the greatest example, but my point still stands. IMO

Recently, they, the leftist assholes, have been going to larger and larger frames trying to out-leftist one another. It's what they do. Check it out for yourselves.

I think that many of the leftists don't even have vision issues, but they wear those particulary stupid looking oversized glasses anyway as an identifier, they wear those stupid looking oversized eyeglasses to say look at me, I'm a leftist brainwashed retard. It's almost like a gang tattoo.
An identifier, so to speak.

Sort of like the useless masks during the covid scamdemic.
Leftists suck, those fucking retarded assholes.

I've got the dumb ass fatigue; their bullshit has gotten so old at this point.
Do they ever look in the mirror and think to themselves WTF am I doing? Doh!
 
Last edited:
GOPerfect

GOPerfect

.950 JDJ
U.S. Military
Messages
34,021
Reaction score
78,128
Location
None
tirwin1

tirwin1

.577 Tyrannosaur.
Messages
20,400
Reaction score
57,234
Location
rochester
GOPerfect said:
I have read her ruling.

Apparently, I am not smart enough to understand her legal reasoning.

Click to expand...
There is no reasoning. It's legal word salad. Just like "emanation of a penumbra" was the magic phrase the supreme court used to legalize abortion in all states decades ago. She wanted a certain outcome and she just winged it using vocabulary.

The founders were afraid of an imperial presidency that would behave just like a king. Not sure they ever envisioned hundreds of little kings and queens ruling from the judiciary. What is the remedy for this abuse of power?
 
GOPerfect

GOPerfect

.950 JDJ
U.S. Military
Messages
34,021
Reaction score
78,128
Location
None
Things like this, I just hope that more in the US wake up and fully comprehend what is going on.
 
togmaster

togmaster

.450/400 Nitro Ex
Messages
13,425
Reaction score
20,340
Location
Buoy 42
SonOfSun said:
In a related story... A man impersonating an FBI agent tried to get Luigi Mangione out of jail, authorities say.


WTF.
Click to expand...
"When the officers asked for his federal credentials, Anderson showed them a Minnesota driver’s license, threw numerous documents at them and claimed to have weapons, the criminal complaint said. Officers searched Anderson’s bag and found a barbecue fork and a circular steel blade, the complaint said. In a photo included in the complaint, the blade appeared to be a small pizza cutter wheel."

Silly boy didn't know you need a license to possess a pizza cutter in NY.
 
F

fresch

.338 Win Mag
Messages
9,472
Reaction score
12,444
Location
Syracuse
I blame computer games for the children not knowing reality.
Get outside, get in fights, get cut, fall out of trees, jump your 20" bike and bust your nuts, get your first kiss, get some boobs, run your mouth, have someone shut it for you, become a man.
 
GOPerfect

GOPerfect

.950 JDJ
U.S. Military
Messages
34,021
Reaction score
78,128
Location
None
fresch said:
I blame computer games for the children not knowing reality.
Get outside, get in fights, get cut, fall out of trees, jump your 20" bike and bust your nuts, get your first kiss, get some boobs, run your mouth, have someone shut it for you, become a man.
Click to expand...
YES!!!!!
 
Grimscale

Grimscale

.338 Win Mag
Messages
8,579
Reaction score
16,824
Location
Rochester
tirwin1 said:
What is the remedy for this abuse of power?
Click to expand...
normally I would say "accountability". If a judge blatantly rules against the Constitution, or deliberately rules in opposition to the facts, they get called up before their peers to explain their mistake. If no logical explanation is given they are summarily removed from the bench, permanently.

But, as we've seen (or rather NOT seen), no one is held accountable for their actions anymore. Except, maybe, us plebs.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top