Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Mosinitis]

All I want is a lambo. Tough shit for both of us.

russia doesn’t nor should it get to decide other countries cannot join nato.

And in any case that ship has sailed. NATO is up against its borders already.

Putin needs to man up and move on.

Before Soviet troops were withdrawn from Germany a pledge was made to Gorbachev that NATO will not expend to the East, not a single inch. This was argued by Russia for years and denied by the West.
To answer Russian demands in a recent speech, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg categorically denied that such promises were ever made.
As the evidence of this pledge has emerged, Stoltenberg stands as an ARROGANT BOLDFACE LIAR.

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel

Newly discovered document proves existence of pledge not to expand NATO eastward towards Russia, proving Moscow right

www.rt.com

 

[1911guy]

Russia's main objective is to roll back NATO expansion to 1997 level when it signed an agreement with NATO. Russia had no plans to invade anyone and still doesn't. Ukraine is using a stand off between Russia and NATO to recapture Donbass, knowing Russia's negotiations with NATO will suffer if Russia gets involved in Donbass.

You may be correct. But we shall see in few weeks.

 

[Mosinitis]

You may be correct. But we shall see in few weeks.

No, the invasion was supposed to happen on February 16th. Obviously Russian aggressors overslept. At some point, few weeks, few month or few years from now Russia may be provoked enough to take that step, but "imminent invasion" on or close to that date is a lie. One of many lies about Russia that was told over the years.

 

[holdover]

russia doesn’t nor should it get to decide other countries cannot join nato.

And in any case that ship has sailed. NATO is up against its borders already.

Putin needs to man up and move on.

Russia has a distinct national interest of who is on her borders just like We do. Why? Because she has the might to say so, just like us.

Now that might not be the best policy, But that the reality . Remember Quebec wanted to break away from Canada? The US said if they did they would be invaded by the US. Same thing.

DO you really expect Russia to just sit back and say, Geeze thats tough, I guess we have to deal with NATO on our border now? Come on man,

Where is NATO on her border?

Putin is being backed into a corner, He had the forces to invade months ago , Why give Ukraine all the time in the world to prepare? that doesnt make any sense.

And why are the Ukrainians bombing the Russian backed region of the Donbass? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[holdover]

Saw a poll of now vs a decade back and Ukrainian opinion of Russia has gone massively down. If Putin invades Ukraine any of the other nato countries over there will be clamoring for more weapons.

You saw a Poll? Ive seen a lot of polls too, they arnt worth much. The reality is theres lots of Russians in the Ukraine , and they got stuck with a bullshit Leader after the US backed coup in 14. Dont be surprised if they switch teams as soon as the russikes roll through

 

[Blimey]

You do

?

 

[Blimey]

Russia has a distinct national interest of who is on her borders just like We do. Why? Because she has the might to say so, just like us.

Now that might not be the best policy, But that the reality . Remember Quebec wanted to break away from Canada? The US said if they did they would be invaded by the US. Same thing.

DO you really expect Russia to just sit back and say, Geeze thats tough, I guess we have to deal with NATO on our border now? Come on man,

Where is NATO on her border?

Putin is being backed into a corner, He had the forces to invade months ago , Why give Ukraine all the time in the world to prepare? that doesnt make any sense.

And why are the Ukrainians bombing the Russian backed region of the Donbass? That doesn't make any sense.

I don’t understand your question. You’re asking if nato countries already border Russia, really?

 

[Blimey]

You saw a Poll? Ive seen a lot of polls too, they arnt worth much. The reality is theres lots of Russians in the Ukraine , and they got stuck with a bullshit Leader after the US backed coup in 14. Dont be surprised if they switch teams as soon as the russikes roll through

Yeah I know polls haven’t been popular around this forum for *checks date* about two years now.

 

[holdover]

Oh longer than that. Sierra polls, Clinton Polls,

 

[holdover]

I don’t understand your question. You’re asking if nato countries already border Russia, really?

yes.

 

[Blimey]

Before Soviet troops were withdrawn from Germany a pledge was made to Gorbachev that NATO will not expend to the East, not a single inch. This was argued by Russia for years and denied by the West.
To answer Russian demands in a recent speech, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg categorically denied that such promises were ever made.
As the evidence of this pledge has emerged, Stoltenberg stands as an ARROGANT BOLDFACE LIAR.

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel

Newly discovered document proves existence of pledge not to expand NATO eastward towards Russia, proving Moscow right

www.rt.com

Stop crying over it. Things change. Sovereign nations pick their associations. So the dumb Soviets got suckered, too bad, so sad.

 

[Blimey]

yes.

You can’t google which nato nations border Russia?

 

[holdover]

LOL, there arnt any!

You stated"

""And in any case that ship has sailed. NATO is up against its borders already.""

No they are not. I suggest you google a map.

 

[Blimey]

LOL, there arnt any!

You stated"

""And in any case that ship has sailed. NATO is up against its borders already.""

No they are not. I suggest you google a map.

Omfg

 

[holdover]

Really you want to prove me wrong? which NATO countries border Russia?

Lets see who laughs

Lets see who needs a lesson in geography here

 

[holdover]

Come on where? I know what a map looks like.

 

[holdover]

I cant believe you didn't know that.

Its been Russian policy for decades

 

[Blimey]

Really you want to prove me wrong? which NATO countries border Russia?

Lets see who laughs

Lets see who needs a lesson in geography here

You’re making an historic fool of yourself.

 

[holdover]

WTF Blimey! You cant admit your wrong? All you have to do is tell me what NATO countries border Russia.

Dont strain to hard there isnt any

 

[holdover]

You can’t google which nato nations border Russia?

LOL

 

[Blimey]

WTF Blimey! You cant admit your wrong? All you have to do is tell me what NATO countries border Russia.

Dont strain to hard there isnt any

What is remarkable is the aplomb with which you say something we both know you know nothing about. I’m not going to tell you which ones because it’s too entertaining watching you try to bluff.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Boys...
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania

 

[ArmedCorgi]

For some reason, I thought France wasn't a member..

 

[Blimey]

Before Soviet troops were withdrawn from Germany a pledge was made to Gorbachev that NATO will not expend to the East, not a single inch. This was argued by Russia for years and denied by the West.
To answer Russian demands in a recent speech, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg categorically denied that such promises were ever made.
As the evidence of this pledge has emerged, Stoltenberg stands as an ARROGANT BOLDFACE LIAR.

West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel

Newly discovered document proves existence of pledge not to expand NATO eastward towards Russia, proving Moscow right

www.rt.com

Oh, to set the record straight on this Gorbachev in 2014 denied ever having been told this. I just learned that


Rt.com is the pr website for the kremlin. You should vet your sources better. Don’t believe me find one article that is truly critical of Putin or Russian foreign policy.

 

[holdover]

I apologize, I stand corrected, I didnt realize those tiny countries Estonia Latvia Lithuania were part of NATO

 

[holdover]

For some reason, I thought France wasn't a member..

They are but Thats because they refused to let US planes fly over France when they Attacked Libya in the 1980s

 

[holdover]

 

[ArmedCorgi]

They are but Thats because they refused to let US planes fly over France when they Attacked Libya in the 1980s

And here I was thinking it's because they don't have an army to speak of....just that damn Legion....sounds like a friggin health problem.

 

[holdover]

Can you see why the Russians feel like NATO is encroaching on thier borders?

 

[Blimey]

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Can you see why the Russians feel like NATO is encroaching on thier borders?

I can.

But they are still sovereign states and that is their choice. Its invasion of Crimea was nothing but a territory grab and that’s what this would be as well.