Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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GOPerfect said:
We did the same in years past.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea. I can add more to this list.

What other evils?

I am not defending him, lots of assumptions and inuendos
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The more I keep reading and watching the more I am learning. What Putin is doing is wrong and it's just as wrong as anytime we invaded a country that didn't attack us first.

However......... I can't blame him for taking a stand. My latest thoughts on this are that the Ukrainian government is as corrupt as any other government, I believe this because of how Hunter Biden was employed by burisma, and how large corporations like that are tied in to the government.

So I'm thinking that Ukraine was being pushed to join NATO which for all intents and purposes is expanding the territory of the West, and mostly the United States.

Granted, we weren't invading anybody or killing people tthrough physical War, but in Putin's eyes we were doing the same thing he wants to do which is make his country more profitable and secure. I don't recall all the details of the treaty that was signed from years ago but if the Ukraine was in violation of the treaty by wanting to become a part of NATO and bring NATO weapons into the country I can see why Putin felt threatened.

I think about this from the perspective of Russia or China deciding to build nuclear silos along our Southern border. Technically Mexico would be free to do whatever it wants and we would have no right to go in there, but at the same time would we support it for our own security?

I still don't support him going into Ukraine, and as I've said from the beginning I do understand it, but it's not so cut-and-dry. But then again Wars usually aren't.
 
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SonOfSun said:
Not counting the whole invading a sovereign nation (Ukraine) thing....


It is very likely he was behind the Moscow apartment bombings in the 90s. Bombing your own citizens as false flag path to gain power is pretty evil.

He "disappears" his critics. Many Journalists that criticize him die in suspicious circumstances.

His goal isn't just more land for Russia. Its the destruction and destabilization of the Western world. He wants to destroy your way of life. He wants you to live under a dictator authoritarian.
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Not defending him, but is there hard evidence of all of these things? Or, is it just talk?

Some say that 9-11 was an inside job, no real proof... Many say some of our mass shootings were done by our government in order to weaken the 2A.

FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor. Our CIA kills people.

The Clinton's killed a lot of people, no hard proof.

Your last paragraph, this is only your opinion right? No real facts to back this up?


Again, I am not a defender of the man, but nearly everything that people are saying about him, can be said about our leaders as well.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Bullshit and wishful thinking. At the end of WWII Red Army was unstoppable. No way Patton couldn't see that. Let's not forget the hard time we had fighting Japanese. Russians defeated entire Japanese Kwantung Army in just one week.
I guess there is a glory envy that makes people make this shit up.
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They left the 2nd league and unfitted to hold that line.
Such a formidable army got their ass kicked in Afghanistan.
You see the people there are fine for most part but their political class have a long history of poor leadership, fear tactics, and screwing everything up.

Patton, allies airforces and regular german army rearmed would have wiped the floor with Stalin and his gang of communist thugs and have saved millions from decades of communist missery.
 
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meketrefe said:
They left the 2nd league and unfitted to hold that line.
Such a formidable army got their ass kicked in Afghanistan.
You see the people there are fine for most part but their political class have a long history of poor leadership, fear tactics, and screwing everything up.

Patton, allies airforces and regular german army rearmed would have wiped the floor with Stalin and his gang of communist thugs and have saved millions from decades of communist missery.
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I have seen stories of the Russian soldiers saying they were told it was a training mission, others said they were told it was liberation and the Uke's would welcome them. Kinda feel sorry for the common soldier in this deadly game. But then I think, How could they not know living in the wonderful worker's paradise of Russia? Where the press is free and the internet is even free'er.
 
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Blimey said:
He was evil prior to this. He has used violence against political opponents, loathes free speech (and imprisons those who use it), controls the media.

He is a dictator. Has been for a long time.

The guy closest on his right is the prime puppet--I mean prime minister. Clear optics here: you guys are below me. Know your place and do not question me. Classic despotic behavior.

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I may or may not agree to these statements.

Is what he does any different than what nearly every US President does?
 
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GOPerfect said:
I may or may not agree to these statements.

Is what he does any different than what nearly every US President does?
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You were saying?

Follow the Money

$1,935,557 paid by the USA for bio lab equipment to Ukraine…who was VP at the time and who was spending LOTS of time there?

VP Biden…

And on Burisma board…
Baby Biden Hunter
Baby Pelosi
Baby step-son Kerry
Romney

Destruction of bio labs happening?
 
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GOPerfect said:
I cannot seem to open this large enough to read, what is it saying/
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Follow the Money

$1,935,557 paid by the USA for bio lab equipment to Ukraine…who was VP at the time and who was spending LOTS of time there?

VP Biden…

And on Burisma board…
Baby Biden Hunter
Baby Pelosi
Baby step-son Kerry
Romney

Destruction of bio labs happening?
 
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Celt said:
The more I keep reading and watching the more I am learning. What Putin is doing is wrong and it's just as wrong as anytime we invaded a country that didn't attack us first.

However......... I can't blame him for taking a stand. My latest thoughts on this are that the Ukrainian government is as corrupt as any other government, I believe this because of how Hunter Biden was employed by burisma, and how large corporations like that are tied in to the government.

So I'm thinking that Ukraine was being pushed to join NATO which for all intents and purposes is expanding the territory of the West, and mostly the United States.

Granted, we weren't invading anybody or killing people tthrough physical War, but in Putin's eyes we were doing the same thing he wants to do which is make his country more profitable and secure. I don't recall all the details of the treaty that was signed from years ago but if the Ukraine was in violation of the treaty by wanting to become a part of NATO and bring NATO weapons into the country I can see why Putin felt threatened.

I think about this from the perspective of Russia or China deciding to build nuclear silos along our Southern border. Technically Mexico would be free to do whatever it wants and we would have no right to go in there, but at the same time would we support it for our own security?

I still don't support him going into Ukraine, and as I've said from the beginning I do understand it, but it's not so cut-and-dry. But then again Wars usually aren't.
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We were going to invade Cuba for doing the exact same thing. I would have supported that if I were around then.

It was a legitimate national security issue.
 
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Defilade said:
Follow the Money

$1,935,557 paid by the USA for bio lab equipment to Ukraine…who was VP at the time and who was spending LOTS of time there?

VP Biden…

And on Burisma board…
Baby Biden Hunter
Baby Pelosi
Baby step-son Kerry
Romney

Destruction of bio labs happening?
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Gotcha, and thanks. The US is very dirty involved, Russia, I believe is going to expose all of it.

This is why, I think, so many on the Left and in Political positions are so against Russia right now.,
 
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