Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[SonOfSun]

You can read his mind? Our propaganda tells it like it is?

No, I can't read his mind. . It's not propaganda that he hasn't taken Kiev, that Ukraine just struck a target in Russia (gas depot), that Russia's supply lines are not adequate, etc. Any way you cut it, it's a failure when the country you are invading starts blowing shit up in your country.

Putin either realizes these things or he doesn't. With how much information is available on the modern battlefield he'd have to be willfully ignorant and borderline retarded not to be aware of these things. The other option is he is aware and just doesn't publicly acknowledge it instead using his iron grasp of national media to choke off bad news. I think the second option is far more likely.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Ukrainian soldiers using Red Cross vans for transport?

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Dr. Evil]

"Just so we are all clear, Hunter Biden was funneling US DoD funds to privately owned biolabs in a country with Nazi Military forces, and proceeded to conduct dangerous research which led to the release of a genetically modified pathogen with enhanced transmissibility and lethality, that ruined the world and killed millions worldwide (C19). Which in turn caused Russia to move in with military force and neutralize these US funded labs, being protected by Nazi Military forces…

Russia wasn’t kidding when they said they were “denazifying” Ukraine. Just like Russia wasn’t kidding when they said the US were creating bioweapons in Ukraine. Just like they weren’t kidding when they said they didn’t want to take Ukraine. If Putin wanted, they could have flattened Ukraine in a few days. But no, they neutralized the labs and stopped.

So Putin is conducting a precise military operation against Nazis, he’s shutting down biolabs from the country that was responsible for the release of the pathogen that caused the worldwide pandemic… kinda sounds like Putin is the good guy here. Could you imagine if actual military Nazi forces were protecting labs in Mexico and Canada? AND the people operating these labs were responsible for creating and letting out C19? EVERY SINGLE American would be calling for our military to bomb the piss out of whomever is responsible. That’s how the Russian people feel. They’d prefer not to let the Nazis have bioweapons at their border…

I’m not saying Russia is innocent. No country is. But to think the US government is innocent, is just ridiculous. Why do we hate Russia? Because they have nukes, a strong military, and use harsh government surveillance and propaganda on their people? You mean all the exact same shit we do? You have been conditioned to hate Russia. We used to be allies with Russia. When we prosecuted the Nazis at Nuremberg, Russia was one of the four countries assisting in the tribunals.

Over the past 30 years, our government has been no better than Russia. In fact, Russia is not involved in releasing pandemic inducing pathogens and killing millions of people worldwide. If anything, recent evidence would suggest the US government is far worse. Not to mention they are currently supplying weapons to Nazi Military forces, so that really doesn’t help their argument.

This world needs correction. We can’t go on like this. Truth will eventually prevail and future generations will look back on this time with absolute horror. But before we get there, we will continue to endure this great suffering. When the suffering concludes, it will be unforgettable and unforgivable. This will deter future generations from allowing this to happen again, as the scars from this torment will never fade. These acts are that of true evil.

The People will NEVER forget."

 

[Bigfoot]

2 weeks, flatten the mushroom cloud

 

[Celt]

"Just so we are all clear, Hunter Biden was funneling US DoD funds to privately owned biolabs in a country with Nazi Military forces, and proceeded to conduct dangerous research which led to the release of a genetically modified pathogen with enhanced transmissibility and lethality, that ruined the world and killed millions worldwide (C19). Which in turn caused Russia to move in with military force and neutralize these US funded labs, being protected by Nazi Military forces…

Russia wasn’t kidding when they said they were “denazifying” Ukraine. Just like Russia wasn’t kidding when they said the US were creating bioweapons in Ukraine. Just like they weren’t kidding when they said they didn’t want to take Ukraine. If Putin wanted, they could have flattened Ukraine in a few days. But no, they neutralized the labs and stopped.

So Putin is conducting a precise military operation against Nazis, he’s shutting down biolabs from the country that was responsible for the release of the pathogen that caused the worldwide pandemic… kinda sounds like Putin is the good guy here. Could you imagine if actual military Nazi forces were protecting labs in Mexico and Canada? AND the people operating these labs were responsible for creating and letting out C19? EVERY SINGLE American would be calling for our military to bomb the piss out of whomever is responsible. That’s how the Russian people feel. They’d prefer not to let the Nazis have bioweapons at their border…

I’m not saying Russia is innocent. No country is. But to think the US government is innocent, is just ridiculous. Why do we hate Russia? Because they have nukes, a strong military, and use harsh government surveillance and propaganda on their people? You mean all the exact same shit we do? You have been conditioned to hate Russia. We used to be allies with Russia. When we prosecuted the Nazis at Nuremberg, Russia was one of the four countries assisting in the tribunals.

Over the past 30 years, our government has been no better than Russia. In fact, Russia is not involved in releasing pandemic inducing pathogens and killing millions of people worldwide. If anything, recent evidence would suggest the US government is far worse. Not to mention they are currently supplying weapons to Nazi Military forces, so that really doesn’t help their argument.

This world needs correction. We can’t go on like this. Truth will eventually prevail and future generations will look back on this time with absolute horror. But before we get there, we will continue to endure this great suffering. When the suffering concludes, it will be unforgettable and unforgivable. This will deter future generations from allowing this to happen again, as the scars from this torment will never fade. These acts are that of true evil.

The People will NEVER forget."

Cant say I buy all of that guys opinion, there is so much propaganda on both sides its tough to believe ANYTHING.

 

[pjzwtl]

 

[Defilade]

View attachment ukraine.MP4

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Ukrainian soldiers using Red Cross vans for transport?

So they fight like democrats vote.

 

[prambo]

Also posted elsewhere...

When Lions Roar

"Now they want us to rally our spirits and pride around a Cold War relic called NATO, against their new manufactured evil, and pretend the past two years of abuse and killing never happened.

They expect us to move on and forget it. To accept our new behavioral conditions, responding to the threats they tell us, when and how they want.

They want us to believe Putin is our enemy and Russians are evil.

Did Russians lock you in your home and abuse your children? Did Putin threaten your job if you didn’t get injected with a deadly bioweapon? Did he tell the FDA to spike all early and effective treatments so more people died?"

 

[tirwin1]

 

[Defilade]

Also posted elsewhere...

When Lions Roar

"Now they want us to rally our spirits and pride around a Cold War relic called NATO, against their new manufactured evil, and pretend the past two years of abuse and killing never happened.

They expect us to move on and forget it. To accept our new behavioral conditions, responding to the threats they tell us, when and how they want.

They want us to believe Putin is our enemy and Russians are evil.

Did Russians lock you in your home and abuse your children? Did Putin threaten your job if you didn’t get injected with a deadly bioweapon? Did he tell the FDA to spike all early and effective treatments so more people died?"

Exactly, After Russia,Russia,Russia, a obvious stolen Election and Covid lies, I guess we now trust the narrative? Lol

 

[Blimey]

I’m keeping up on this war, but I frankly cannot read too many posts from apologists who deny what is happening in Ukraine as a “natural disaster” or doctored footage or whatever people use to excuse mass slaughter of civilians. This under the guise of “asking questions”.

Fantastic news seeing the fascists retreat from Kyiv, and now Chernobyl with accounts on the latter related to a laughably stupid exposure of radiation to dumb Russians. It almost seems like a military of invalids.

Even though The fascists’ military might was doubted before, few could have foreseen their literal inability to even take Kyiv. Russia is beyond pitiful.

Increasing reports of mass war crimes and if they are not careful they will prompt a military response from the EU. I do not believe Europe will watch if Putin widely enslaves or murders captured Ukrainians.

 

[spat]

Straw man.

That's an argument why Russia isn't targetting civilian areas with expensive missiles.

Which would be silly.

But artillery barrages that cost a few hundred a shell OTOH are just as bad if you're living in the targetted residential area.

 

[Blimey]

They are also masters at using diversions as a military tactic. Ukrainian forces were tied at defending major cities while the real Russian objectivel was liberation of all of Donbass region.

Sacrificing 40k troops (deaths + injuries), hundreds of vehicles/airships, while giving time for Ukraine to garner massive international support and become the recipient to billions in weaponry Russian military has no answer to.

That is one awesome feint.

 

[Mosinitis]

Sacrificing 40k troops (deaths + injuries), hundreds of vehicles/airships, while giving time for Ukraine to garner massive international support and become the recipient to billions in weaponry Russian military has no answer to.

That is one awesome feint.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Ukraine claims control over Kyiv region as Russian forces regroup for battle in country’s east

In Mariupol, meanwhile, tens of thousands of civilians are trapped with scant access to food and water

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[holdover]

Straw man.

That's an argument why Russia isn't targetting civilian areas with expensive missiles.

Which would be silly.

But artillery barrages that cost a few hundred a shell OTOH are just as bad if you're living in the targetted residential area.

But the thing is, You dont know what was in those buildings and houses. I can show you hundreds of pics from Iraq where buildings of all kinds were destroyed by US , coalition forces

Heres some white phosphorous , A chemical weapon deployed against Falluja . Were US troops intentionally targeting civilians? Hell no. why bother?




The U.S. military said Thursday that it intentionally bombed a hospital in Mosul, Iraq as part of its efforts to "eradicate" Islamic State (ISIS) fighters.

The attack on the Al Salam hospital complex took place Wednesday at the request of Iraqi forces, with coalition aircraft using "precision-guided munitions," Air Force Col. John Dorrian, spokesperson for the U.S.-led coalition against ISIS, told reporters.

He said "it's very difficult to ascertain with full and total fidelity" that there were no civilian casualties, whether in the building targeted or elsewhere within the hospital complex.

US Military Admits: We Deliberately Bombed a Hospital in Iraq | Common Dreams

Military spokesperson says "it's very difficult to ascertain with full and total fidelity" that no civilians were killed

www.commondreams.org

The first strikes on bagdad in 2003 schock and awe, Do you think the civilians were intentionally targeted ??


Point being , try as you might, civilians are going to die in citys full of civilians .

Its the nature of modern urban combat. Now if the Russians were rounding people up and executing them , well then that's something else entirely. why dont we see this happening, if the policy is to eliminate civilians? Its a known fact in Iraq ,that Headquarters of the resistance often set up in the basements of hospitals because US forces were reluctant to fire on them .Ive seen video where US forces fired into school buildings because they were taking fire .

What happened in Mariupol was different . They gave the civilians many chances to leave. same as the US did in Falluja, but after a certain date it was game on . they levelled Mariupol the way we leveled Falluja , We didn't do it to every town , and neither did the Russians .

Theres two sides to every story, We are only told partial truths, about our wars and others ,Its spun just like everything else is

 

[holdover]

I never knew this until recently,

NCO Corps​

Conscript armies usually lack the long-service, professional noncommissioned officer (NCO) corps that is considered the bedrock of a modern Western military. Instead, junior officers and warrant officers fill most roles that NCOs perform in volunteer militaries. Since World War II, the USSR and now Russia have mostly done without NCOs in practice if not in name.

Properly trained and empowered NCOs enable a unit to react more quickly in a dynamic combat environment. NCOs are key to the doctrine of initiative and decentralized command that the U.S. Army calls “Mission Command.”

NCO's are the back bone of our military. The fact that Russia doesn't use a professional core of NCOS is stunning.

The Best or Worst of Both Worlds? | The Post-Soviet Post | CSIS

The reformed and revitalized Russian military is increasingly powerful and proficient. However, Russia remains suspended between the large but limited mass army of its past and the expensive but proficient Western professional military model.

www.csis.org

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I have been seeing headlines for a few weeks now that we are sending 'kamikazi drones', etc. to Ukraine for military welfare. What are we waiting for? We keep adding additional commitments on top of that, and the previous support, but it doesn't appear we have done anything yet. Maybe Ukraine will finally cash these checks a few years after the special military operation is over, like the states covid bailouts.

This shit is all a farce. I bet people over there are going about their day like nothing is far from ordinary.

Meanwhile, back here in Clownville, we just keep racking up the interest on all the federal reserve notes we keep borrowing from ourselves to give to the rest of the world.

The USA should just go take out Russia's list of Ukrainian targets for them then leave. Russia can keep it after that if they want to rebuild.

 

[Bigfoot]

Nevermind, I posted a video of a gunfight and then I realized it was from 2015.

So I deleted it.

 

[Cavalry]

Ukraine is now offering $1M for Russian defectors that bring a jet or ship with them, smaller bounties of $100K for tanks and artillery, and $10K for trucks and support vehicles.
Just buy them out, what a fabulous idea. Its literally a win-win. They get a military vehicle at a bargain price paid for with free money, and get one less piece and soldier off the battlefield.

I wonder if the "tank farmers" can cash in these bounties?

Ukrainian parliament signs law offering $1 million rewards to defecting Russian soldiers who hand over a fighter jet or a warship

The Ukrainian parliament passed a law with a list of Russian military equipment rewards. Soldiers defecting with a warship or a jet can claim up to $1m

www.businessinsider.com

 

[dsdmmat]

I never knew this until recently,

NCO Corps​

Conscript armies usually lack the long-service, professional noncommissioned officer (NCO) corps that is considered the bedrock of a modern Western military. Instead, junior officers and warrant officers fill most roles that NCOs perform in volunteer militaries. Since World War II, the USSR and now Russia have mostly done without NCOs in practice if not in name.

Properly trained and empowered NCOs enable a unit to react more quickly in a dynamic combat environment. NCOs are key to the doctrine of initiative and decentralized command that the U.S. Army calls “Mission Command.”

NCO's are the back bone of our military. The fact that Russia doesn't use a professional core of NCOS is stunning.

The Best or Worst of Both Worlds? | The Post-Soviet Post | CSIS

The reformed and revitalized Russian military is increasingly powerful and proficient. However, Russia remains suspended between the large but limited mass army of its past and the expensive but proficient Western professional military model.

www.csis.org

If you want to know what a military is planning watch the Generals. If you want to know what the military desires watch the Colonels. If you want to know what a military is willing to support watch the NCOs.

 

[Mosinitis]

Ukraine is now offering $1M for Russian defectors that bring a jet or ship with them, smaller bounties of $100K for tanks and artillery, and $10K for trucks and support vehicles.
Just buy them out, what a fabulous idea. Its literally a win-win. They get a military vehicle at a bargain price paid for with free money, and get one less piece and soldier off the battlefield.

I wonder if the "tank farmers" can cash in these bounties?

Ukrainian parliament signs law offering $1 million rewards to defecting Russian soldiers who hand over a fighter jet or a warship

The Ukrainian parliament passed a law with a list of Russian military equipment rewards. Soldiers defecting with a warship or a jet can claim up to $1m

www.businessinsider.com

Sleazy tactics, just like their Western masters. Very telling.

 

[dsdmmat]

Sleazy tactics, just like their Western masters. Very telling.

Well at least they are paying the personnel for the items rather than compromising them and blackmailing them for state secrets.

 

[DoOver]

 

[Mosinitis]

Well at least they are paying the personnel for the items rather than compromising them and blackmailing them for state secrets.

Most likely the guy will get a bullet to the head rather then $1,000,000 or $100,000. It's cheaper.

 

[1341]

Most likely the guy will get a bullet to the head rather then $1,000,000 or $100,000. It's cheaper.

Probably happening to a few members of the Russian high command at Lubankya right now after the disaster of the present campaign.

 

[livingston]

"Just so we are all clear, Hunter Biden was funneling US DoD funds to privately owned biolabs in a country with Nazi Military forces, and proceeded to conduct dangerous research which led to the release of a genetically modified pathogen with enhanced transmissibility and lethality, that ruined the world and killed millions worldwide (C19). Which in turn caused Russia to move in with military force and neutralize these US funded labs, being protected by Nazi Military forces…

Russia wasn’t kidding when they said they were “denazifying” Ukraine. Just like Russia wasn’t kidding when they said the US were creating bioweapons in Ukraine. Just like they weren’t kidding when they said they didn’t want to take Ukraine. If Putin wanted, they could have flattened Ukraine in a few days. But no, they neutralized the labs and stopped.

So Putin is conducting a precise military operation against Nazis, he’s shutting down biolabs from the country that was responsible for the release of the pathogen that caused the worldwide pandemic… kinda sounds like Putin is the good guy here. Could you imagine if actual military Nazi forces were protecting labs in Mexico and Canada? AND the people operating these labs were responsible for creating and letting out C19? EVERY SINGLE American would be calling for our military to bomb the piss out of whomever is responsible. That’s how the Russian people feel. They’d prefer not to let the Nazis have bioweapons at their border…

I’m not saying Russia is innocent. No country is. But to think the US government is innocent, is just ridiculous. Why do we hate Russia? Because they have nukes, a strong military, and use harsh government surveillance and propaganda on their people? You mean all the exact same shit we do? You have been conditioned to hate Russia. We used to be allies with Russia. When we prosecuted the Nazis at Nuremberg, Russia was one of the four countries assisting in the tribunals.

Over the past 30 years, our government has been no better than Russia. In fact, Russia is not involved in releasing pandemic inducing pathogens and killing millions of people worldwide. If anything, recent evidence would suggest the US government is far worse. Not to mention they are currently supplying weapons to Nazi Military forces, so that really doesn’t help their argument.

This world needs correction. We can’t go on like this. Truth will eventually prevail and future generations will look back on this time with absolute horror. But before we get there, we will continue to endure this great suffering. When the suffering concludes, it will be unforgettable and unforgivable. This will deter future generations from allowing this to happen again, as the scars from this torment will never fade. These acts are that of true evil.

The People will NEVER forget."

FOX News Interviews Ukrainian President Zelensky – Edits Out Him Responding to Azov Battalion Atrocities “They Are What They Are”​

FOX News Interviews Ukrainian President Zelensky – Edits Out Him Responding to Azov Battalion Atrocities “They Are What They Are” * The Gateway Pundit * by Joe Hoft

We first reported on the Azov Battalion in Ukraine months ago. This group of Neo-Nazis is known for atrocities in Ukraine. President Zelensky's response to a…

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[dsdmmat]

Most likely the guy will get a bullet to the head rather then $1,000,000 or $100,000. It's cheaper.

Such are the gambles of war.