Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[holdover]

CIA Admits Feeding Americans False Info About Ukraine – The Washington Standard

Late last year, a Gallup poll showed that Americans’ trust in the mainstream media has fallen to its second lowest level on record. Only seven percent of Americans responded that they have a “great deal” of trust in the media. That loss of trust has been well-earned by the mainstream media, and...

thewashingtonstandard.com

 

[MothMan]

Oops.

UPDATED: Russia Says Damaged Cruiser Moskva Sank Under Tow Headed to Black Sea Homeport - USNI News

This story has been updated to include a report from Russian state media Moskva has sunk. Russian Navy’s Black Sea flagship RTS Moskva (121) has sunk while being towed toward Sevastopol, Crimea, after sustaining major damage in a fire Wednesday, Russian state media said on Thursday. “During the...

news.usni.org

"State media did not elaborate on the cause of the fire". Are Russian ships prone to catching fire on their own?

their nuclear subs have a way of going up in flames

A Fire Engulfs Top Secret Russian Submarine, Killing 14 Sailors

Named for a cartoon horse, Losharik was built to carry out top-secret spy missions.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[GOPerfect]

CIA Admits Feeding Americans False Info About Ukraine – The Washington Standard

Late last year, a Gallup poll showed that Americans’ trust in the mainstream media has fallen to its second lowest level on record. Only seven percent of Americans responded that they have a “great deal” of trust in the media. That loss of trust has been well-earned by the mainstream media, and...

thewashingtonstandard.com

Um, duh....

Some of us know this already.

 

[Acer-m14]

in NY .. we got bloody photo .. so where are the Ukraine and Russia ones ? WTF ..

notice how nice and clear that photo is .. LMAO ..

 

[holdover]

Um, duh....

Some of us know this already.

I wasn't posting it for those that know, I was posting it for those that cant except it .

 

[holdover]

Oops.

UPDATED: Russia Says Damaged Cruiser Moskva Sank Under Tow Headed to Black Sea Homeport - USNI News

This story has been updated to include a report from Russian state media Moskva has sunk. Russian Navy’s Black Sea flagship RTS Moskva (121) has sunk while being towed toward Sevastopol, Crimea, after sustaining major damage in a fire Wednesday, Russian state media said on Thursday. “During the...

news.usni.org

"State media did not elaborate on the cause of the fire". Are Russian ships prone to catching fire on their own?

 

[Blimey]

January 20, 2022: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/

April, 13, 2022: One Of Russia’s Biggest Cruisers May Have Sank Near Ukraine

 

[GOPerfect]

Русский медведь еще не показал свои клыки

 

[GOPerfect]

Русский медведь еще не показал свои клыки

The Russian bear hasn't shown its fangs yet

 

[GOPerfect]

I follow many people from the Ukraine and Russia on Twitter...

Seems like there are many in Russia who are really supporting this thing. Many, it appears, in The Ukraine, as well.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[Mosinitis]

 

[spat]

"State media did not elaborate on the cause of the fire". Are Russian ships prone to catching fire on their own?

Yes, actually they are.

 

[Mosinitis]

RT reports that the ship has sunk.

 

[Blimey]

The best part of this is that it’s the same ship from snake island and Ukraine just this week issued an official stamp with a troop giving the finger to this very ship. Now it’s sunk

Russia continues to reach new levels of military ineptitude. This is the biggest loss of a naval asset by any nation since ww ii.

 

[GOPerfect]

Not sure what is being said, but those were some good looking Vikings....

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Yes, actually they are.

So do you think Ukraine and the msm are just turning it into a fake win for themselves?

 

[prambo]

Ukraine and the New Al Qaeda

"The coming “global white supremacist” terror threat, if we are to believe our unusually prescient intelligence officials, appears to be the “next thing” to befall the world as the Covid crisis wanes. It also appears that the CIA has crowned itself the midwife and chosen Ukraine as the birthplace of this new “terror threat,” one which will create not only the next proxy war between US empire and its adversaries, but also the pretext to launch the “War on Domestic Terror” in North America and Europe."

 

[GOPerfect]

Russian military’s damaged Black Sea flagship sinks​

The Russian Defense Ministry said the ship sank in a storm while being towed to a port. Russia earlier said the flames on the ship, which would typically have 500 sailors on board, forced the entire crew to evacuate. It later said the blaze had been contained and that the ship would be towed to port with its missile launchers intact.

Ukraine says it sank Russian flagship, Moscow denies​

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine said Thursday its forces sank the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet in a missile attack, but Moscow said the vessel was merely damaged, making no mention of an assault. The loss of the ship would be a major military and symbolic defeat for Russia as its troops regroup for a renewed offensive in eastern Ukraine after retreating from much of the north, including the capital.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This is going to get interesting.


What happens if it leaks out American/NATO munitions or intelligence were used to directly or indirectly attack it.

The stakes have been raised. I don't fault Ukraine from trying to defend themselves at all, but pragmatically observing it, this is a very delicate situation to say the least. Russia can't take this too well they are going to be pissed.

 

[tirwin1]

This is going to get interesting.


What happens if it leaks out American/NATO munitions or intelligence were used to directly or indirectly attack it.

The stakes have been raised. I don't fault Ukraine from trying to defend themselves at all, but pragmatically observing it, this is a very delicate situation to say the least. Russia can't take this too well they are going to be pissed.

I expect the Russians will strike at arms shipments as soon as they cross the border into Ukraine. Surprised they haven't done so already.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I expect the Russians will strike at arms shipments as soon as they cross the border into Ukraine. Surprised they haven't done so already.

At what point does Russia start shooting s400s 100 miles into polish airspace as planes are coming in to land hitting NATO transports bringing Ukrainian aid before it can land and be transferred?

 

[tirwin1]

 

[Blimey]

This is going to get interesting.


What happens if it leaks out American/NATO munitions or intelligence were used to directly or indirectly attack it.

The stakes have been raised. I don't fault Ukraine from trying to defend themselves at all, but pragmatically observing it, this is a very delicate situation to say the least. Russia can't take this too well they are going to be pissed.

Oh it was. The USA has admitted now it’s giving detailed intelligence in that area to target Russian assets.

WSJ News Exclusive | Biden Administration to Provide Ukraine With More Intelligence, Heavier Weapons to Fight Russia

The Biden administration is moving to significantly expand the intelligence it is providing to Ukraine’s forces so they can target Moscow’s military units in Russian-occupied Donbas and Crimea, part of a shift in U.S. support that also includes $800 million in additional weapons to Kyiv.

www.wsj.com

Since the war started Russia has had 15k+ casualties, now withdrawn its entire northern offensive, defaulted on its national debt (first time in over a century), and now lost its flagship Black Sea warship to some guys in a truck, who distracted it with a couple of cheap drones.

This war is going so badly for Russia it’s almost scarier because it represents an existential crisis for the country. All of its own making. It chose this path willingly. Just beggars belief how they could mess up so severely.

 

[Blimey]

At what point does Russia start shooting s400s 100 miles into polish airspace as planes are coming in to land hitting NATO transports bringing Ukrainian aid before it can land and be transferred?

That point is about 90 minutes before they get a live demonstration of what tomahawks and f35s can do.

The reason they haven’t struck these shipments is because they can’t. They don’t know where they are and/or can’t hit them anyway. I keyed into the true effectiveness of Russia’s military a few years ago reading about their aircraft carrier. Here is a laughing stock that they keep working on. The ship doesn’t even go to sea without a tugboat close by—not a joke. It actually needs that thing. It doesn’t even have planes that launch off it after one crashed into it a few years ago. Meanwhile we have like 9 (more?) massive carrier fleets with all the fixins. Russia is a generation behind militarily. And all their bluster and big man talk doesn’t thicken the armor on their disco-era tanks.

 

[FrankenCub]

That point is about 90 minutes before they get a live demonstration of what tomahawks and f35s can do.

If that's the case it'll be 120 minutes before the ICBMs fly.

 

[Blimey]

If that's the case it'll be 120 minutes before the ICBMs fly.

Hopefully not

 

[spat]

So do you think Ukraine and the msm are just turning it into a fake win for themselves?

No, they probably did hit it with a missile.

But, a warship in good condition probably would have been able to control the damage.

And certainly the Russians have a well deserved reputation as an absolute train wreck of a naval power.

From their "aircraft carrier" that spends more time under tow than under power to the legendary Baltic fleet debacle of 1904 they have proven that Russia and Water do not mix.

 

[spat]

If that's the case it'll be 120 minutes before the ICBMs fly.

Only if there are enough suicidal Russians to pull the triggers.

We're going to great lengths to avoid any hint of something that might escalate things. Why do people assume the Russians are bound and determined to escalate at every opportunity ?

Do you really think that every Russian officer in the nuclear kill chain would rather see their entire nation burned to the ground rather than just GTFO Ukraine ?

 

[FrankenCub]

Only if there are enough suicidal Russians to pull the triggers.

We're going to great lengths to avoid any hint of something that might escalate things. Why do people assume the Russians are bound and determined to escalate at every opportunity ?

Do you really think that every Russian officer in the nuclear kill chain would rather see their entire nation burned to the ground rather than just GTFO Ukraine ?

Those close to Putin just may follow orders if we get directly involved.
If Putin is serious about his threats.

I'm not worried about it either way the hammer falls, I don't have any control of what happens with this mess so no reason to get worked up over it.