FrankenCub
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It's being reported that it was hit by Ukraine built Neptune missile. I can't find the article now but read it earlier.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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holdover
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Idiots in Washington and Brussels are playing with fire and we all might end up paying the price. Russia has hypersonic missiles, no one else has them at this time. They can't be intercepted. What if Russia starts selling them to China, or North Korea, or Iran?
1341
.45 acp
Umm...you left out Moscow.
Ukraine is vital to Russia's security. Can't say the same for U.S.
China already has the hypersonic missiles, they developed them and gave them to Russia.
Arjuna
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Uninformed and Compliant
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If China has 'em, it was from stuff they stole from us, or was sold to them by Clinton, and we have 'em.
Just sayin.
Are they running out of men? Are all the men Soldiers dead and dying???
Blimey
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It's looking like the bulk of the crew on the Moskva died.
The only way the fascists stop their assault is by continuing to suffer horrific loss of men and money.
Speaking of which it's looking quite likely that ukraine will be getting some Reaper drones, which make the bayraktars look like a backyard rc plane.
The only way the fascists stop their assault is by continuing to suffer horrific loss of men and money.
Speaking of which it's looking quite likely that ukraine will be getting some Reaper drones, which make the bayraktars look like a backyard rc plane.
Oops.
UPDATED: Russia Says Damaged Cruiser Moskva Sank Under Tow Headed to Black Sea Homeport - USNI News
This story has been updated to include a report from Russian state media Moskva has sunk. Russian Navy’s Black Sea flagship RTS Moskva (121) has sunk while being towed toward Sevastopol, Crimea, after sustaining major damage in a fire Wednesday, Russian state media said on Thursday. “During the...news.usni.org
"State media did not elaborate on the cause of the fire". Are Russian ships prone to catching fire on their own?
Maybe they have shit munitions and they Kursked themselves, lol.
Looks like we are sending them a nice shipment of howitzers and 300 more of our suicide drones too.
Also apparently Putin is filing a "formal complaint" about the USA providing weapons. Ahaha. What's next? Is that little Karen bitch going to ask to talk to the manager?
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spat
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When there are enemy troops on your soil you hand a rifle to anyone who can carry one.
Look at the British preparations invasion in WWII.
Hell, how many kids did *we* have fighting in WWI and II who "lied about their age", and we didn't have half our country occupied by foreign invaders.
When you face an existential threat, there are no more rules you have to follow.
I don't think that is such a great idea
Russia warns US of repercussions if it sends more arms to Ukraine – reports
Diplomatic note believed to talk of ‘unpredictable consequences’ as US readies $800m of military hardwareRussia-Ukraine war: latest updates US army personnel loading equipment bound for Ukraine in Jan...
We're very close to provoking ourselves into getting "dragged" into ww3.
holdover
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spat
.950 JDJ
So, we're just supposed to follow Putin's orders ?I don't think that is such a great idea
Russia warns US of repercussions if it sends more arms to Ukraine – reports
Diplomatic note believed to talk of ‘unpredictable consequences’ as US readies $800m of military hardwareRussia-Ukraine war: latest updates US army personnel loading equipment bound for Ukraine in Jan...www.yahoo.com
We're very close to provoking ourselves into getting "dragged" into ww3.
Repeat after me, appeasement is a bad policy.
Whether it's a playground bully, or a nuclear armed dictator, the only correct course of action is to make them fear you more than you fear them.
So, we should be making Putin terrified of provoking *us* to escalate. We should be publicly considering the no fly zone option. We should be publicly lobbying NATO and the UN to give Putin the Saddam Hussain treatment.
We don't want a war, but the best way to avoid it is to make your enemies terrified that they might get one.
Groveling every time Putin shakes his finger is exactly the way to get into one. Standing up to him is how you avoid it.
Different Drummer
.44 mag
Who were the "idiots" that played with fire when they placed an enormous military operation on Ukraines border and then proceeded to invade?
Looks like the invader has paid an unexpected premium in the "price" of that decision.
Lots of talk here about fake news, propaganda etc. I find it difficult to believe the destruction that has occurred in the Ukraine and the displacement of millions of Ukrainian citizens was orchestrated from within the Ukrainian Govt.
In regards to Russia not wanting a NATO County on their border in the form of Ukraine, If Russia occupied or in some way annexed Ukraine wouldn't their own actions place them on the borders of several Nato Countries? Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Poland.
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BerettaGuy
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Something to think about!
What if the Russian Troops are killing civilians for not wearing masks. How many in America would be okay with that?
What if the sunken Missle Ship had nukes or chemical-tipped missiles in the tubes now lying at the bottom of the Black Sea? Recovery efforts will tell the tale.
What if the state of the US Military after firing soldiers for not being vaxed, and forcing them to attend diversity and sensitivity training, lowered standards so soy boys who can't do a pull up are treated "fairly", and the wokeness of the Generals in DC turns our equipment and troops into the same type of troops that Russia has.
What if the Russian Troops are killing civilians for not wearing masks. How many in America would be okay with that?
What if the sunken Missle Ship had nukes or chemical-tipped missiles in the tubes now lying at the bottom of the Black Sea? Recovery efforts will tell the tale.
What if the state of the US Military after firing soldiers for not being vaxed, and forcing them to attend diversity and sensitivity training, lowered standards so soy boys who can't do a pull up are treated "fairly", and the wokeness of the Generals in DC turns our equipment and troops into the same type of troops that Russia has.
holdover
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Placeing a no fly zone over an active war zone and shooting down Russian planes IS an act of war. Its an act of war which which will 100% lead to an all out nuclear war.
Attacking the Russian military will only lead to severe escalation and spread of the war throughout Europe US and Russia. That sounds like a pretty shitty peace plan.
You have to understand that the Russian airforce would be defeated by NATO. which means Russia is pretty much defenseless. If she starts losing, she is going to lets loose with the only weapons left, You have backed her into a corner she cant get out of .
I sometimes get the impression that's exactly what some people want , A new beginning.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Act of war or not, I think the war has already started and Putin has won. We are not capable of responding. We don't have the will nor the means. We have decimated our military just like they did after WWI. It is no different than the bully threatening to punch you in the nose. Once you comply, he wins.
The great reset is not going to end well. We have the means for a totally compliant, totally monitored, totally totalitarian system and they intend to use it.
I mean imagine, won't you? NO CRIME! No criminals. Utopia!
The only people "licensed" to use violence will be Government employees.
Can't wait!
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holdover
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I think the war is just beginning. The longer it lasts, the closer Russia becomes with China. A new block is forming, China, Russia, N Korea, Iran, Syria, possibly India.
Hopefully We still have the means , but that wont last through our next depression . I hope we dont find the will to use nuclear weapons .
holdover
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Why do you say they started it?
Phazer
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This is what all of the "See-Ukraine-Is-Winning" media was oblivious to. Anyone who cared to peak above the propaganda always knew that the Russians had not yet brought out their big guns. Well...those guns are now being used.
www.forbes.com
Russian Bombers Just Carpet-Bombed Mariupol
Russian Tu-22M bombers dropped unguided bombs on Ukrainian troops in the besieged city of Mariupol. It requires a certain amount of recklessness, or desperation, to fly the big bombers within range of enemy air-defenses and may indicate the Russians are running low on cruise missiles.
www.forbes.com
spat
.950 JDJ
In a conflict with NATO, Russia is already utterly defenseless. Their failure in Ukraine has proven that.
If Russia would choose nuclear war over retreat in such a circumstance, then they will choose nuclear war over something eventually.
Should NATO always back down if Putin threatens Nukes ? If he takes Poland, or Finland, should we just say "well, he's got nukes, we can't fight him ?".
No, either Russia will back down, or they won't. IF NATO will back down, then that tells Russia that they will always back down, and it puts Putin in charge, he can do anything he wants unchecked.
So, either he can do anything he wants, and we will retreat forever, or there is a red line we will not accept. If a red line exists, why not draw it here ?
spat
.950 JDJ
You honestly think they didn't ?
What act of war did Ukraine commit ?
Attempting to join NATO ? If that's the case most of Europe is at war with Russia and they should act like it.
spat
.950 JDJ
If you have nuclear weapons, but your enemies believe you lack the will to use them, then why bother with them at all.
I certainly hope all our enemies believe we have the will.
spat
.950 JDJ
Which is why we absolutely have to stop this now. Letting it continue is signing our own death warrant.