Turkey didn't grant the final approval for their entrance and taking more neutral role between the West and Russia, playing both sides. Hungary is not participating in sanctions against Russia. Germany and Poland are headed into a dispute over German territories handed to Poland by Stalin at the end of WWII and Polish genocide of German civilians who were purged from these territories. Forest fires are burning in France, Order river is poisoned with mercury, fishing industry is caput, Poland and Germany blaming each other. If I was a civilian living in Europe, I would feel much safer living deep in Russia, than in most European countries. 70% of our sophisticated weaponry sent to Ukraine is not accounted for. Who can guarantee that Neo-Nazi formations operating in Ukraine or small group of fanatics acting independently will not use it to blow up one of the cooling towers at Zaporozheye nuclear plant just to drag or blackmail NATO into a direct conflict. Haven't we learned from BinLaden not to get in bed with scum of the earth.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Turkey didn't grant the final approval for their entrance and taking more neutral role between the West and Russia, playing both sides. Hungary is not participating in sanctions against Russia. Germany and Poland are headed into a dispute over German territories handed to Poland by Stalin at the end of WWII and Polish genocide of German civilians who were purged from these territories. Forest fires are burning in France, Order river is poisoned with mercury, fishing industry is caput, Poland and Germany blaming each other. If I was a civilian living in Europe, I would feel much safer living deep in Russia, than in most European countries. 70% of our sophisticated weaponry sent to Ukraine is not accounted for. Who can guarantee that Neo-Nazi formations operating in Ukraine or small group of fanatics acting independently will not use it to blow up one of the cooling towers at Zaporozheye nuclear plant just to drag or blackmail NATO into a direct conflict. Haven't we learned from BinLaden not to get in bed with scum of the earth.
Europe is turning into an absolute mess right now for many reasons.
The majority of the world is building up tension like a coiled spring.
The majority of the world is building up tension like a coiled spring.
holdover
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Video shows American mercenary's refusing an unlawful order to loot stores by Ukrainian officer“We are not marauders and did not come here to rob the local population” - foreign volunteers
An American legionnaire in an interview with the Kyiv Independent complained about the incompetence and recklessness of our command. According to him, the commanders placed over the legionnaires forced foreigners to carry out criminal orders, and sometimes sent them to certain death.
In addition, the volunteer pointed to the name of a certain Alexander Kuchinsky, who "particularly distinguished himself" in commanding units during one of the battles near Nikolaev.
“The Russians discovered our position and started shelling it. We were told to stay here. The rest of the troops retreated from the second line of defense, we were alone in the face of death. A friend from my squad, Scott Sibley, died, three others were seriously injured, ”says an American volunteer, commenting on Kuchinsky’s competence
In addition, many fighters have already expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that Ukrainian commanders forced them to engage in looting. The Brazilian officer, before terminating the contract with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said that the volunteers “came to help these people fight for this country against the occupiers. Not to rob."
According to the legionnaire, Kuchinsky not only sent foreigners to their deaths, but also forced them to rob shops. The Kyiv Independent published a video confirming the words of the Brazilian.
Full investigation here: [link to kyivindependent.com (secure)]
holdover
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I dont believe they have joined just yet. A few hold ups.
800 mil more on the way.
Guess we know how the " inflation reduction bill" is being spent
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Guess we know how the " inflation reduction bill" is being spent
U.S. sets $800M weapons package for Ukraine
The tranche comes just days before Ukraine’s independence day Aug. 24, which one DoD official suggested could also bring a fresh American show of support.
spat
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And most of the rest of them are finally moving to actually meet their defense obligations.
This Russian invasion is the best thing to happen for Nato in decades.
spat
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I've read about the last 2 times this happened.
We got a lot of good movies out of it, and some major advances in technology, but I'd prefer not to experience that phase of history again.
The Ukraine strikes back.
Serious strikes against ammo depots , air strips. in Crimea Belograd.
Update(1617ET): There are breaking unconfirmed reports that another Russian airfield near Crimea's Sevastopol naval base is under attack. According to Reuters Belbek air base may have come under attack:
Reported events tonight: • Explosions at munitions depot, Timonovo, Belgorod • Fire/explosions at Stary Oskol Airfield, Belgorod • Explosions in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson • Explosions/UAV shot down near Belbek airport, Crimea • Air defence activity near Kerch strait, Crimea
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I have to say, it looks like the Russian offensive is stalling out. I mean, they're still making some headway, but If they cant keep thier ammo supplies moving freely , its going to be a problem . They will probably be able to secure the last few citys in the Donbass, but the rapid drive to Dnipro might not happen it the supplys are short. They are having supply problems in Kershon and now they have this nuclear plant being shelled by ukraine which could bring NATO or UN into the war . I would think that The Russians would be forced to disperse thier ammo supplies throughout an area instead of warehouseing them in central locations . I dont know, Lets see what happens at the UN meeting tommorrow. Could be a turning point in the war.
I have a feeling that big, really big bombs are coming very soon.
This channel isn't specifically about Ukraine or the Donbas but it gets mentioned frequently.
Really a solid channel to get a big picture of what's going on.
Really a solid channel to get a big picture of what's going on.
holdover
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removed. whats the name?
holdover
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That doesn't shock me. One wrong move , one mistake , one misunderstanding.
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This is something I have been totally unaware of. Apparently the Nuclear power plant at Zaporizhzhia was captured by the Russians on March 3rd. this is not reflected in any maps I've yet seen since the start of the war. If the Russians have possession of Zaporizhzhia since March 3 , it means they have supply lines to the city, which means they must control much more area than we see on the map . Also, The Ukrainians Have been shelling the plant for the last few days In what I speculate is an attempt to cause , or nearly cause a Nuclear disaster in the area which could bring in NATO or UN troops into the area and probably the war. However, that being said, They have failed to cause any real damage there so far. Now, the Ukrainians have demonstrated quite a few long range strikes on supply depots and airfields several hundred miles all the way into the Crimea. They have the ability to accurately target this plant, but they are not hitting it in any meaningful way. Zaporizhzhia is in , near the center of Ukraine on the Dniper river right on the front lines . Yet they haven't managed to damage the plant
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Mykolaiv, Ukraine Puts Out Official Radiation Exposure Notice For Population
Ukraine's Mykolaiv Regional State Administration has put out a radiation exposure notice on its official Facebook page for the Ukrainian population outside of the NPP surveillance zone.
This is very fluid, lines drawn and promises made keep changing. Obviously Ukraine is losing and trying to draw NATO into direct conflict. If scaring Europe doesn't work, they may step up the shelling to cause an incident. Ukrainian crew that operates this power plant made a plea to Ukrainian government to stop this, it can cause a nuclear catastrophy.
ArmedCorgi
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Other than a trumped up bogus excuse to get involved, I'm failing to see how causing a nuclear disaster with radiation leakage by shelling the power plant would draw NATO into the conflict.
Nuclear incident is not a full scale nuclear disaster, it's a potential for one. If it happens, they can call for International control of the area, knowing that Russians will refuse.
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The UN chief met 2 days ago to discuss the options of preventing a nuclear disaster. Thats the premise to get the UN involved inside of Ukraine.
They could make the claim thats its to dangerous for the belligerents to be there and in order to prevent a disaster, the plant must be safe guarded by UN or NATO troops , which Russia is probably not going to go along with . In addition, that plant is the largest nuclear plant in Europe, Im sure it provides power for a lot of cities and Russia controls the switch. Winter could be a bitch with out power, refugees , the whole 9 yards. It has great strategic value .It kinda makes sense that the Ukraines did not hit the vital areas of the plant when they do have the ability to do it . they just want the perception of a nuclear disaster is imminent unless some action is taken in order to get the lemmings to support it.
We have to understand that this plant has been in the hands of the Russians since march. Now all of sudden Ukraine is shelling it. For what? to prevent a disaster? The media has tried to say it was the Russians that are shelling it . But obviously, they have possession of it, they have troops there. It could bring NATO into the war, It could fuck up their own operations in the area. Wheres the point? Makes no sense.
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U.N. chief to meet Zelenskiy, Erdogan in Ukraine on Thursday
U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres will meet Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan in Ukraine on Thursday, a U.N. spokesman said, and on Friday visit the Black Sea port of Odesa, where grain exports have resumed under a U.N.-brokered deal.
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Ukraine will target Russian soldiers at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, says Zelenskiy
143,050 views Aug 14, 2022 Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has vowed to target Russian troops at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant who fire on Ukrainian towns and cities. Note: the headline of video was edited on 14 August.
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ArmedCorgi
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A nuclear disaster that they would have intentionally created. How on earth could they expect the world to rally behind them intentionally causing a nuclear disaster?
I can just see it... Ukraine: "yeah, the russians forced us to shell the nuclear power plant because them simply controlling it posed a greater threat than us blowing it up and creating an actual nuclear disaster"
holdover
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they are saying the Russians are shelling the plant . But the above video zelensky is saying they are targets .
I dont think they or the Russians want a disaster , its a scripted movie. they and the Russians could have wasted the plant if they wanted to cause a disaster. The name of the game is fear, and how to justify a larger war.
Look at what is going on now. Ukrainians are shelling this plant and it is blamed on Russia. It doesn't make any sense that Russians will shell their own positions, but this is how it is being narrated in the West, with rare exceptions that blame both sides.
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This is gov spending I can get behind. I do not mean this to antagonize whatsoever: USA should 10X at least its support of Ukraine.800 mil more on the way.
Guess we know how the " inflation reduction bill" is being spent
U.S. sets $800M weapons package for Ukraine
The tranche comes just days before Ukraine’s independence day Aug. 24, which one DoD official suggested could also bring a fresh American show of support.
russia is on the ropes. As an invader it has not meaningfully moved the frontline in months because it can't: it is running out of equipment and out of troops (it's recruiting from prisons and conscripting occupied Ukrainians--it is desperate). This is also why talk of a full mobilization is laughable. They are already fully mobilized. They cannot mobilize further. They lack the logistics to support it. They are the biggest paper tiger since iraq in 1991. The only reason they do not retreat is that putin cannot admit he's already lost.
This is a generational event. It left itself open to a multi-decade injury and, as long as we provide continued support for Ukraine, its success over Russia is assured. Already russia will take a minimum of a decade+ to get back to where it was in February. If we ensure it is pushed back to February borders (and Ukraine is saying it wants its Crimea back), it will help cement the existential crisis that they have voluntarily signed up for.
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lolz. Nato is stronger than it's been in decades, and russia now has hundreds more miles of nato border. daddy pooty lost. You picked the wrong horse.
holdover
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Here's an interesting angle . Worth looking at.
John Laughland, director of studies at The Institute of Democracy and Co-operation think-tank, speaks about the Ukraine situation at a European Parliament conference.
War between fiction and reality - John Laughland at the Ukraine Symposium
John Laughland, director of studies at The Institute of Democracy and Co-operation think-tank, speaks about the Ukraine situation at a European Parliament conference.
I am not good at editing videos. If I was I would put together two short clips. First is how Russians withdrew from Afghanistan in a parade formation with smiles, flags and flowers. The second clip would be NATO withdrawal and how it went, planes crushing people on the runway and panic. These images will speak volumes.
In Ukraine it's a fight between Russians. Foreign fighters from NATO countries, aren't doing well, most of them ran away or dead. They came to a Russian fight and crapped themselves.
Russians maybe slow to mobilize and getting their shit together, but when they do, they end up in Paris and Berlin.
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Conservative British member of parliament Tobias Ellwood, who chairs the House of Commons Defense Select Committee, cautioned that any nuclear accident at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant could draw NATO into the war between Russia and Ukraine.
“Let’s make it clear now: any deliberate damage causing potential radiation leak to a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a breach of NATO’s Article 5,” he said Friday on Twitter.
Article 5 of the NATO treaty states that an armed attack against one or more NATO allies in Europe or North America is to be considered an attack against them all and compels each to take any action it deems necessary to assist the attacked member state.
British Lawmaker: Nuclear Accident Could Draw NATO Allies into War
Tobias Ellwood tweets ‘any deliberate damage causing potential radiation leak to a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a breach of NATO’s Article 5’
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ArmedCorgi
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So they would basically treat any overspill of radiation from the power plant into a NATO country as an "armed attack"... If it were a provable, deliberate act to try and do that, I could see it being a valid reason. If that were the case, but it was Ukraine that did it to try and get NATO into the war, then NATO should be all over them and not Russia if they are going to use article 5 as an excuse to get involved. But just because it happens to happen and the wind blows the right way.... Seems like a stretch to me.Conservative British member of parliament Tobias Ellwood, who chairs the House of Commons Defense Select Committee, cautioned that any nuclear accident at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant could draw NATO into the war between Russia and Ukraine.
“Let’s make it clear now: any deliberate damage causing potential radiation leak to a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a breach of NATO’s Article 5,” he said Friday on Twitter.
Article 5 of the NATO treaty states that an armed attack against one or more NATO allies in Europe or North America is to be considered an attack against them all and compels each to take any action it deems necessary to assist the attacked member state.
British Lawmaker: Nuclear Accident Could Draw NATO Allies into War
Tobias Ellwood tweets ‘any deliberate damage causing potential radiation leak to a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a breach of NATO’s Article 5’
DoOver
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Seems totally unrelated
Looks like there was an assassination attempted on Alexander Dugin that killed his daughter, fair to say things will escalate a lot from here!
Looks like there was an assassination attempted on Alexander Dugin that killed his daughter, fair to say things will escalate a lot from here!
DEVELOPING: Daughter of Putin Ally Killed in Explosion Outside Moscow: Reports (VIDEO) * The Gateway Pundit * by Cristina Laila
According to reports Darya Dugina, the daughter of Putin ally Alexander Dugin, was killed in an explosion outside of Moscow.
www.thegatewaypundit.com