Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

The US is not going to fully enter this, not ever.

The US doesn't need to.

We're doing exactly what we want now.

We're destroying the Russian military, we've got someone else doing the dying, and we've got the whole world cheering us on as virtuous for doing it.

We don't want the war to end until Russia has run its entire military through that meat grinder.

 

[spat]

Except if that happens I have a feeling MAD will occur and it'll just be cock roaches and deep ocean life left.



So yeah we all will "win".

"For the earth to heal we must die. No one deserves it more."-Motorhead

People seriously overestimate the effect of a full nuclear exchange.

Cities will be gone. Civilization will be set back a century.

But things will go on.

 

[GOPerfect]

You're half right.

I looked up the numbers. The US had 697,000 troops committed to the Gulf war.



But total active duty at that time were over 2 million.

ARMY. 710,821
NAVY 570,292
MARINE CORP 194,040
AIR FORCE 510,432

This does not include the near 1.3 million in reserves. Never send all at once.

 

[holdover]

Dont count out the possibility they they have technology that can fry the circuits of anything flying.

 

[GOPerfect]

People seriously overestimate the effect of a full nuclear exchange.

Cities will be gone. Civilization will be set back a century.

But things will go on.

There will never be a full exchange. I do not believe the US has the balls to launch. Horrible to say, but I think we as a nation have lost our balls and are about to lose being the World power. No nads at all.

 

[Vapor]

The US doesn't need to.

We're doing exactly what we want now.

We're destroying the Russian military, we've got someone else doing the dying, and we've got the whole world cheering us on as virtuous for doing it.

We don't want the war to end until Russia has run its entire military through that meat grinder.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along.


Our goal was to eliminate one of our two biggest rivals.

 

[holdover]

There will never be a full exchange. I do not believe the US has the balls to launch. Horrible to say, but I think we as a nation have lost our balls and are about to lose being the World power. No nads at all.

probably got into a fight with spat.

 

[GOPerfect]

probably got into a fight with spat.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[holdover]

You have to assume the Chinese are rethinking thier plans too. One miscalculation and there will be baseball stadiums in bejing.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Russia has a population of 150 million. Thats 0.5 % . they lost over 100,000 men in some pockets during WW2. If Russia has one thing, its an endless supply of angry men.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

You have to assume the Chinese are rethinking thier plans too. One miscalculation and there will be baseball stadiums in bejing.

They're laughing their asses off that we are depleting our excess inventory of munitions being donated to Ukraine to kill Russians.

Every javelin, 155mm, himars, etc china laughs because it's one less they have to worry about.

China is probably urging Russia behind the scenes to move this along to a conclusion so that they can bolster china on the Pacific front when the time comes.

 

[spat]

Dont count out the possibility they they have technology that can fry the circuits of anything flying.

The EMP mechanism is well understood.

There are hard physical limits to it.

Unless they can change the laws of physics or the composition of the Earth's magnetosphere it doesn't matter how big your nuke is, the EMP has a max size.

I am sure the US military hardened everything worth hardening for that max EMP plus a healthy safety margin.

Civilian infrastructure will take a beating, but our ability to wage war will not be compromised.

Any local EMP from a Flux compression generator or similar pales in comparison. No matter how cool your design it simply doesn't have the power of a nuclear bomb.

 

[spat]

Sometimes I wonder if ww3 isnt the goal the way they are acting. they end up with all the chips just like Lex Luthor .

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That's an insult to Luthor.

 

[Acer-m14]

bad movie .. all them Mosin's with no bayonets deployed .. the Mosin always had its bayonet deployed ..

 

[Mosinitis]

 

[Grimscale]

If I get in a fight and I am kicked in the balls, I will, as soon as able, do so much worse and so much longer lasting.

But that's the key, isn't it.

People watch too much TV and think "in a fight I'll just kick them in the balls and it's over". So they kick a guy in the balls and STOP FIGHTING.
Then the guy proceeds to mop the floor with them.

The kick in the balls is a temporary measure to reduce the opponent's fighting capability so you can unload holy hell on him. The idea is to make it so they cannot continue to fight at all.

But I also think most people are far too squeamish to actually win a fight.

 

[holdover]

Russian or Belarusian soldiers massing on northern border

 

[tirwin1]

Pretty pathetic response don't you think? Seems more like Hitler's use of the v-1 and v-2 rockets against British civilians. How is this going to help his soldiers in the field?

 

[Mosinitis]

Over a hundred rockets rained down on infrastructure of most Ukrainian cities.

 

[Mosinitis]

Pretty pathetic response don't you think? Seems more like Hitler's use of the v-1 and v-2 rockets against British civilians. How is this going to help his soldiers in the field?

Actually this is a standard operating procedure in any war. Ukrainian military relies on Ukrainian infrastructure. Up until now such attacks were kept to a minimum to lessen the impact on Ukrainian people. Military Operation vs. War. It must be done, but any escalation of the hostilities plays into U.S. geopolitics. U.S. government wants this war to continue as long as possible and cause as much damage as possible to both countries. This is what U.S. has been doing for years all over the world.

 

[tirwin1]

Over a hundred rockets rained down on infrastructure of most Ukrainian cities.

That's 100 rockets that didn't go against Ukrainian forces in the field. Given how quickly the Russians are retreating in some areas wouldn't these be better utilized to stabilize the front lines?

 

[Mosinitis]

That's 100 rockets that didn't go against Ukrainian forces in the field. Given how quickly the Russians are retreating in some areas wouldn't these be better utilized to stabilize the front lines?

In a word, NO.

 

[tirwin1]

In a word, NO.

Because terrorizing civilians is more important than actual battlefield success? I'm not following the logic.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Mosinitis]

Because terrorizing civilians is more important than actual battlefield success? I'm not following the logic.

That was William Tecumseh Sherman philosophy of a total war. In this Russian/Ukrainian conflict, it was a response to crossing of the red line.

 

[GOPerfect]

But that's the key, isn't it.

But I also think most people are far too squeamish to actually win a fight.

I can not agree more to this statement.

In my personal life and the professional side, I do not lose. I do not not lose because I am a wicked tough guy, nope. I do not lose because I turn off all empathy for my opponent.

There is nothing I will not do to be the victor. No bady part is off limits. No dirty deed is missed.

I watch these videos of victims that do not fight back, they crawl into a blob on the floor taking a beating.

Get up, gouge the eyes, rip off the ears of your aggressor. Pop the knees, grind the shin with your shoes. Grab the throat and squeeze. So much at ones fingertips that are not used.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

In a word, NO.

You can actually make a thorough argument the same strategy in WW2 caused an alternative chain of events that led to Germany losing.

The German Luftwaffe was grinding down the RAF. They were likely within days of obtaining air superiority and would have forced the RAF to redeploy much farther inland from the English channel.

The RAF bombed Berlin and Hitler lost his mind and wanted revenge so he ordered Goering to switch tactics from destroying the RAF to bombing London which began the London blitz. This gave the RAF the time and cushion they needed to repair their airfields and refit their forces. They would eventually go on to win the battle of Britain and the Germans were forced to scrap "operation sealion" the invasion of Britain because it was impossible without air superiority. Those forces were then redeployed east to Poland and later used in operation Barbarossa invading the Soviet union.

The course of history changed because Hitler was mad and wanted to strike fear into Britain instead of the priority military targets and strategy.

 

[livingston]

 

[Phazer]

I could easily see Putin committing suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice before jumping out a 10th story window.

Sure. He just would never do it of his own volition. He s probably the richest man in the world. He's got a lot to live for.

 

[Phazer]

Never give up your nukes.

That's what North Korea has learned. That is why Iran wants them.