Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Russian society is galvanizing around this incident. Deliberate attack on dormitory of sleeping vocational school students. There was nothing connecting this facility to the military, verified by numerous foreign journalists. This institution was producing kindergarten and school teachers. 21 were killed in the attack and 60 injured, some of them badly maimed or lost limbs.
This attack is consistent with Kiev's and its foreign backers well publicized policy "to bring the war to the Russian people and push them to make a regime change and stop the war".
It actually had the opposite effect.
Putin is under pressure to eliminate Kiev's decision makers and foreign participants in the war. Questions are raised, why wasn't it done already.
This attack is consistent with Kiev's and its foreign backers well publicized policy "to bring the war to the Russian people and push them to make a regime change and stop the war".
It actually had the opposite effect.
Putin is under pressure to eliminate Kiev's decision makers and foreign participants in the war. Questions are raised, why wasn't it done already.
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While bordering NATO countries are shaking their finger at Ukraine for using their territory to attack Russia and pretending they are not involved, there are consequences. There were several incidents of Ukrainian drones striking places in the Baltic states and Finland. Yesterday a drone hit an apartment building in Galati, Romania.
There is an old Latin saying: for every smart ass, there is a threaded dick. FAFO.
There is an old Latin saying: for every smart ass, there is a threaded dick. FAFO.
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Robin
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Hey Vlad the Mad, how many civilians did you murder today?!?!? And for what you fucking dirtbag.
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Steal2B
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Yeah, nearly all the civilian casualties in this conflict war are at the hands of Vlad, and any posts citing RT.com are either flagrant falsehoods, exagerations, or at best partial truths.
RT.com is the primary website Russia Today, a Russian state-controlled international news television network. Funded by the Russian government it operates multiple digital platforms and television channels aimed at audiences outside of Russia, broadcasting in several languages including English.
It is a universally accepted fact that RT is a de facto arm of Russia's intelligence apparatus, engaging in covert influence operations to undermine American interests, influence American politics, and incite under-informed or weak minded individuals in western countries.
This source is cited so often I blocked the questionable member who dumps that bullshit in this thread.
BTW, multiple media reports have been confirming throughout these regions these so called "trade schools" are used to train the likes of Russian military drone pilots, Russian military recruits and active Russian military assets. RT reporting of any content, including innocent civilian deaths should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism or doubt.
So, serious question. Not making this a political or who's right, who's wrong question.
How much longer can Russia allow their petrochemical industry to be targeted before they are forced to escalate to deescalate?
I haven't posted often in this thread because I don't had a horse in this race, I'm just observing. I can't help but think that Russia has to be nearing the limit of what they can absorb for their oil infrastructure and they simply can't allow it to continue to be destroyed and taken offline the way it has been because of the impact to their economy and the difficulty to repair and replace it.
Seriously, what are the thoughts and opinions here?
This has to be having an enormous negative impact on their economy. You can't hide it or pretend it's not happening.
Does Russia just keep taking it, or do they finally reach a breaking point and escalate to deescalate?
How much longer can Russia allow their petrochemical industry to be targeted before they are forced to escalate to deescalate?
I haven't posted often in this thread because I don't had a horse in this race, I'm just observing. I can't help but think that Russia has to be nearing the limit of what they can absorb for their oil infrastructure and they simply can't allow it to continue to be destroyed and taken offline the way it has been because of the impact to their economy and the difficulty to repair and replace it.
Seriously, what are the thoughts and opinions here?
This has to be having an enormous negative impact on their economy. You can't hide it or pretend it's not happening.
Does Russia just keep taking it, or do they finally reach a breaking point and escalate to deescalate?
Steal2B
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I too have no dog in this race and am not a cheeting fan of either corrupt player.
You bring up a good point but Russia's oil / petro income stream is reduced but it is not fully choked off by any means. There are plenty of thirsty customers but there is also wildcards in play with market competitors gaining and losing marketshare with the Gulf, Venezuela, and Cuba activities.
It also appears that their oil production infrastructure has taken hits but by no means has been crippled.
Russia is still well within a margin where their hand is not being forced. Any escalations by Russia now would still be primarily driven by politics or ego rather than for survival. Vlad's ego or power lust, however, will escalate conflicts long before Russia is forced to escalate for economic or military survival.
I honestly can't decide if I think Vlad is:
Extremely patient
Calculating and strategic
Incompetent
Weak or powerless
I think an argument can be made for any of them. I honestly cannot figure it out.
Steal2B
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Vlad is not incompetent, weak, or powerless but he is very damaged goods.
Most world leaders are a bit narcissistic with inflated self worth and egos (yeah Trump is a narcissist too), but unlike many other leaders, Vlad has less empathy, as a manipulator Vlad is weak on charm relying more on force than threats, and Vlad is quite sociopathic in that he can't feel remorse and can be impulsive / reckless when he gives in to his deviant aggression or ego.
On the plus side Vlad has a strong survival instinct and won't commit any form of suicide but he could pull some dangerous horseshit (because he is surrounded by yes men who can't snap him out of it) since Vlad's ego driven blind side might not process or recognize the consequences of some escalations.
I also think Trump is right in that there is no reason that demands this conflict continues and a deal can be hatched if enough pressure or coercion is applied to "get over the egos" and both parties recognize they are somehow / now better off "getting over it."
Steal2B
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Vlad is not weak but he has a touch of mental shit going on. His choices often appear aggressive or nuts but they are typically calculated to ensure his political survival.
Being in power so long with an increasingly narrow inner circle left him insulated from outside perspectives and ripe to miscalculation.
U.S. is directly responsible for the conflict and the war in Ukraine that rages since 2014. Trump played a part in it as well. He sent Javalines.
Russia is pretty much united in this war with opposition critical of Putin's holding back tactics.
Starobelsk atrocity (confirmed by multi-national team of journalists) was the reason Russia is stepping up its attacks. Whatever industrial damage is inflicted by Ukrainian drone operators, Russia will answer 10-fold.
There are actually American citizens that work for RT. How many Russian citizens work for U.S. media networks?
Funny how Russian state media is more informative than supposedly independent U.S. media that tells fairytales about evil dictators and regimes for the audience of idiots who still believe it.
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spat
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If Russia has the ability to "answer it 10 fold", then why the fuck haven't they done that yet ?
Is this part of Putins master plan to sacrifice millions of Russians to lull Ukraine into a false sense of confidence ?
Seriously, what would it take for you to admit this whole misadventure was a colossal mistake for Russia?
That's actually a good question. They should have invaded in 2014 and with a bigger force.
They were afraid of how the West would react.
They ended up with a bigger war and allowing the West to do more harm.
Putin admitted this was a mistake. Now that the price they paid is higher, so will be territorial gains. Original 2022 invasion plan didn't include annexation of Donbass or any additional territory.
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Steal2B
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The price is so high, no one is going to end up ahead when it settles down.
DumbAss mistake.
DumbAss mistake.
Overwhelming majority of Russian males aren't even fighting. Ukraine has smaller population to begin with, mandatory draft, higher loses and much higher numbers leaving the country for good. Russia is winning just by attrition alone.
Steal2B
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Russia is not winning anything, in these few years of conflict the Russian military has endured a 300% (through confirmed open source cemetary records) greater loss of life than the US suffered in nearly 20 years of the Vietnam war.
Even worse, British intelligence sources state the total count of Russian Military casualties during the Ukraine war is much greater at over 1.25 million with close to 500,000 Russian military dead.
Trump is right, it is a waste.
I'm proud that President Trump genuinely holds and cherishes the lives and health of our US service members in a far greater regard than Vlad cares about his own Russian troops. Vlad appears to have squandered hundreds of thousands of Russian military lives.
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There weren't even 1.25 million Russians fighting in Ukraine, fake casualty stats.
U.S. is a party to this war supplying arms and intel to Ukraine to this day, U.S. is not a mediator.
spat
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What exactly are they "winning" ?
In what way is Russia better off than they were before ?
Are a few square miles of muddy farmland really worth a million dead Russians?
They are signing their own demographic death warrant. They were not in a good place demographiclly *before* starting this mess.
Russia will not allow a hostile state on its historic territory populated by their own ethnos.
spat
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Ukraine will not allow a hostile state with a history of recent imperialist expansion on their border.
They should push back across the border and claim a 100km buffer zone.
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1) Even the precious Russian propaganda source, RT.com reported Russian military casualties outside of Ukraines borders.
2) The range of Russian military death numbers are numbing and there are AT LEAST triple the dead Russian soldiers buried from this conflict (confirmed with open source cemetary records so it is a low ball count) than lost by the US over 20 years in Vietnam. The actual number of Russian Military deaths from this conflict may approach 10 fold of the US Vietnam deaths based on British intelligence.
So much young Russian blood wasted and spilled in large part because of a an asshole's ego, delusions and paranoia.
What little 5 foot 6 inch candy ass sane man in his right mind would think it makes him intimidating or macho to let a propaganda photo be issued while they are shirtless exposing fatty bitch tits, flabby arms and a Pillsbury Doughboy muffin top waistlne? Physically, this shorter than Gutfeld physical specimen is a joke and his distorted narcissistic ego kept him from cognitively recognizing it. It would probably be a fair fight for him to have a cage match with the little man from Ukraine to work out their personal distaste for each other and spare the lives of their youths.
Getting Vitamin D the natural way is not a bad thing.
Russian casualties? Killing Russians was a stated and well publicized goal of the American political class, as well as stealing Russian assets. Nothing to be proud off.
Retired General Scales spilled the beans years before 2022.
Russian casualties? Killing Russians was a stated and well publicized goal of the American political class, as well as stealing Russian assets. Nothing to be proud off.
Retired General Scales spilled the beans years before 2022.
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"DumbAss" this is what pops into my head each time I read the things heating up in dumbass thread head line.
We are not just paying attention. We are directly involved. St. Petersburg was attacked from the NATO territory. No way this was done without permission from the White House. At least Biden was direct and there were no strikes against pre-2014 Russian territory.
Trump pretends to outreach to Russia, but escalates the attacks and blames Europeans.
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