NATO's face saving narrative: Russia is losing the war, but Putin doesn't know it, because it is kept from him by corrupt generals and that's why he doesn't agree to a ceasefire.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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NATO's face saving narrative: Russia is losing the war, but Putin doesn't know it, because it is kept from him by corrupt generals and that's why he doesn't agree to a ceasefire.
I knew you would like it. But I am concerned that you are slipping. It took you almost two hours to respond with your usual rhetoric!NATO's face saving narrative: Russia is losing the war, but Putin doesn't know it, because it is kept from him by corrupt generals and that's why he doesn't agree to a ceasefire.
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I think there is some truth in there, but I dont think its as bad as they are saying . If it were, the Ukranians would be driving them back along the entire front . Instead the Russians have been taking town after town for the last few weeks. , slow going, but still inching forward.
In my opinion, the Ukrainians are inflicting losses on the Russians on the roads, and in the field between towns, it seems once the Russians enter a town or city it falls shortly there after . I think its due to the lack of infantry required to hold the urban areas
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holdover
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you know, I really would pay to see it . I know Z man is in, he cant say no to a dollar .
Told you so.
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Exclusive: Ukraine believes it secured Trump's backing to act 'more boldly' toward Russia
Ukraine now believes it has secured White House backing for a campaign aimed at forcing Russia into meaningful negotiations, the Kyiv Independent has learned. U.S. President Donald Trump privately told President Volodymyr Zelensky to act "more boldly," a senior Ukrainian official told the Kyiv...
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Alina Kabaeva was close to 18 when a married Putin recruited her as his "mistress" ... so calling the little fat ass a pedophile is pretty harsh.
Putin could not be blamed for blowing it with Iran as well as Syria, he had his hands full with Ukraine.
The age of consent in Russia is 16. At 18 many are already married. They are still together.
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He's a real class act.
So it's ok for married Russian 50ish year old leaders to take on "near minors" because of a "16 year old girls are ok loophole."
It also looks like it's fine for Putin to screw around with a young mistress Alina for several years while he is married to Lyudmila, and father a couple sons out of wedlock.
By the gloat "They are still together" , do you mean Putin remarried to make Alina an honest woman so her and two bastard sons can gain some smidgen of dignity? Oh, sorry, he didn't.
Maybe Putin is a fat ass pedophile and I shouldn't have scolded you for insulting him.
Maybe he'll finally get a visionquest, marry his mistress, and man up for that grudge cage match with Zelensky.
spat
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It's 16 in Arkansas too.
That doesn't mean a 50 year old chasing high school girls isn't creepy.
Actually she was 22 when it was first reported they were dating.
We owe you an apology. That's not creepy at all. Hell, given Russian life expectancy she was practically middle age when they were dating!
It's pretty common for celebrities. Continuously hanging out with Epstein is creepy.
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Lol.
That's not the first report, it was an early "sanctioned" report. People who buy they weren't a romantic item until she was 22 and he was like 53 is swallowing their state controlled media hook and sinker.
Funny thing, Russian news organizations tied to rumors of their early trist were shuttered. Even after their down low romance was pretty well understood (because of security isolation of his mistress and their meetings), Moskovsky Korrespondent the major Moscow-based tabloid was forced to cease publication in April 2008 by its owner, Alexander Lebedev, just hours after Vladimir Putin angrily denied rumors of a secret divorce from his then-wife and an upcoming wedding (which never happened) to Alina Kabaeva. Russian press and tabloids were not allowed to mention his bastard kids with Alina until the oldest (named Vladimir no less) was 11 years old.
She was 18 on May 12th and were together for this creepy photo just a few weeks later June.
She wasn't even 21 when Putin first arranged her a position in the Civic Chamber of the Russian Federation. Yeah, who believes he gave this job to a random girl he was not romantically involved.
It's ironic that Americans, who swear American fake left wing news is in concert spinning stories to help the Trump administration, but will swear the Russian media would not cover for Putin who is paranoid about his security and apparently oft had her in his bunkers.
At least Monica Lewinsky was really 22 when she was an Intern but it's still classless.
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Really? No one noticed the sarcasm? You people disappoint me lol.
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Wednesday thru Friday, June 24-26, 2026, Ukraine and Russia apparenly traded significant drone attacks with Ukraine conducting strikes on a Russian Baltic Fleet arsenal located near St. Petersburg, naval assets in the Crimea, and regional oil assets on the final say of the Russian Economic conference. Russia focused on targeting Kyiv.
Over 60,000 tons of ammunition were destroyed during this operation. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced the results of the strike following a briefing from the head of Ukraine's Defense Intelligence.
Ukraine launched its heaviest drone attack on Russian territory since the war began, with hundreds of drones exploding across the Russian heartland and occupied territory.
At least 660 Ukrainian drones were downed by Russian defenses Thursday night into Friday, Russia's Defense Ministry reported, though it remains unclear how many were actually fired.
At least 12 regions were targeted in the attack by Ukraine, including Moscow and the surrounding area, St. Petersburg, Crimea and Russian-occupied territory on the war's eastern front.
A hydroelectric plant and a chemical plant were reportedly damaged in the Tula region south of Moscow – with the chemical plant being a key piece of Russia's explosives infrastructure, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky previously said.
At least two military vessels were also hit in Crimea – which Russia has held since 2014 – along with a series of air defense systems in Crimea's eastern Kerch region, according to CBS News.
www.pravda.com.ua
Over 60,000 tons of ammunition were destroyed during this operation. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced the results of the strike following a briefing from the head of Ukraine's Defense Intelligence.
Ukraine launched its heaviest drone attack on Russian territory since the war began, with hundreds of drones exploding across the Russian heartland and occupied territory.
At least 660 Ukrainian drones were downed by Russian defenses Thursday night into Friday, Russia's Defense Ministry reported, though it remains unclear how many were actually fired.
At least 12 regions were targeted in the attack by Ukraine, including Moscow and the surrounding area, St. Petersburg, Crimea and Russian-occupied territory on the war's eastern front.
A hydroelectric plant and a chemical plant were reportedly damaged in the Tula region south of Moscow – with the chemical plant being a key piece of Russia's explosives infrastructure, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky previously said.
At least two military vessels were also hit in Crimea – which Russia has held since 2014 – along with a series of air defense systems in Crimea's eastern Kerch region, according to CBS News.
Zelenskyy briefed by Ukrainian intelligence on destruction of over 60,000 tonnes of ammunition at Russian Baltic Fleet arsenal
Following a briefing from Oleh Ivashchenko, Head of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU), President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said that over 60,000 tonnes of ammunition were destroyed at a Baltic Fleet arsenal near St Petersburg.
www.pravda.com.ua
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I think it's safe to say by this point that Russia severely miscalculated and bit off more than they can chew. Their home economy and infrastructure has to be significantly impacted and that can't be going over well.
What happens next?
IMO Russia has bad options and worse options. The longer this drags on the more it favors Ukraine. Sure Russia is very slowly gaining square KMs of territory but the cost is extremely high to do so that it can't continue indefinitely. Ukraine is affecting Russian supply chains and infrastructure.
Does Russia escalate to deescalate?
Does Russia seek peace?
Does Russia widen the war?
They are probably reaching a point where their strategy and tactics will need to shift and evolve.
What happens next?
IMO Russia has bad options and worse options. The longer this drags on the more it favors Ukraine. Sure Russia is very slowly gaining square KMs of territory but the cost is extremely high to do so that it can't continue indefinitely. Ukraine is affecting Russian supply chains and infrastructure.
Does Russia escalate to deescalate?
Does Russia seek peace?
Does Russia widen the war?
They are probably reaching a point where their strategy and tactics will need to shift and evolve.
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Obviously the tactic of not escalating at all cost is not working out for Russia. If they stood by their red lines early on, it would never get to this point. NATO wouldn't go into WWIII over Ukraine. Time after time Russia showed it's all talk and no action and this is what it came to. I don't think those who are pretending to be their friends in the West are giving them good advice.
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What escalation has Russia failed to take ?
They've been all in short of nukes for years.
If you think they could escalate to nukes and NATO wouldn't immediately go all in you're delusional.
spat
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It wouldn't surprise me at this point if Russia doesn't end up losing Crimea over this. Could end up back with the '90s borders.
They knew where Ukrainian supply lines were and they never attacked them on either side of the border. They didn't go after Ukrainian generals, no matter how many Russian generals were assassinated. They rarely struck bridges and vioducs used in Ukrainian supply lines. Never did anything about NATO piracy on the high seas. In fact they never followed up on anything they said they would do. They didn't need to use nukes or keep bluffing they would. Everyone knows they have them.
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It wouldn't suprise me at this point if Russia and Ukraine end up both losing and in a generation or two will be enjoying morning prayers under an Islamic state or speaking Mandarin and their old timers quietly remember stories of the good old days when their common folk were better off and more alike than different.
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So you think they were capable of doing that stuff and *chose* to let hundreds of thousands of Russians die instead ?
If that's true the Russian people should drag their leaders out to the square and have them drawn and quartered.
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That is a bold statement.
I don't know what information they had, what information they were given and what information they used to make their decisions. I think they should see now it was wrong. Trump rolled out a red carpet in Ankorage and then stabbed them in the back by not honoring the agreement that was made there, denying it was an agreement.
What "non agreement, agreement" was made there?
I am glad both of them at least made an attempt to repair ties, I wish it would have been more successful. It didn't really seem to accomplish anything at all.
Their main demand was that Ukraine pulls out its forces from Donbas.
It's much easier to stab someone in the back during a friendly talk.
With all of Biden's hostile rhetoric, there were no attacks on Internationally recognized Russian territory.
I think Putin was gorbacheved by Trump.