Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Steal2B
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Ukraine’s ‘Equalizer’ bomb aims to blow up reliance on US, European weapons
Ukraine's new Vyrivniuvach glide bomb lets MiG-29 and Su-27 pilots strike Russian forces from safer distances while reducing reliance on U.S. weapons.
www.foxnews.com
Robin
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In the context of when he said that, he probably could have.
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holdover
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yup. been like this for a while now, I dont know what they are getting from other allies, but im sure its not enough, Its not just the missiles either, they require multiple radar sites to triangulate and target the missile s
Yea I noticed it in early August it looks like things have changed for them that they really aren't intercepting missiles anymore.
holdover
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considering the amount of available aircraft they have, this isnt a game changer . And they are very short on air defense missiles,armor, and infantry. the game is over , anyone can see it . Its just a question of time now.View attachment 287171View attachment 287170View attachment 287173View attachment 287172
Ukraine’s ‘Equalizer’ bomb aims to blow up reliance on US, European weapons
Ukraine's new Vyrivniuvach glide bomb lets MiG-29 and Su-27 pilots strike Russian forces from safer distances while reducing reliance on U.S. weapons.
the Russians have been making some good headway since they dropped some of the bridges over the Dniper river. seems the Ukies are being forced back quite a bit
spat
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So how many more years do you think before they get to Kiev ?
holdover
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Kyiv post:
President Volodymyr Zelensky said Monday, Aug. 24 that Ukraine faces a $27 billion defense budget shortfall and is considering early access to European loan funds.
Zelensky admitted that all funds planned for the second half of the year have already been spent, allegedly on "drone production." The regime's leader calls plugging the $27 billion deficit "an extremely difficult task."
Kyiv needs almost $20 billion just to pay soldiers' salaries and compensate the families of the fallen.
www.kyivpost.com
Former US presidential envoy Keith Kellogg said Ukraine should mobilize women into its Defense Forces, arguing they fight as effectively as men. Citing his own wife’s and daughter’s experience, he pointed to women already serving in combat roles and said their participation is an important part of society’s contribution to the war.
www.kyivpost.com
I think women can serve anywhere but infantry artillery armor . combat arms generally . They have thier place, drone operators , pilots , admin, ect. but pushing them into the infantry is reeking of desperation ( personal experience, they all sucked )
President Volodymyr Zelensky said Monday, Aug. 24 that Ukraine faces a $27 billion defense budget shortfall and is considering early access to European loan funds.
Zelensky admitted that all funds planned for the second half of the year have already been spent, allegedly on "drone production." The regime's leader calls plugging the $27 billion deficit "an extremely difficult task."
Kyiv needs almost $20 billion just to pay soldiers' salaries and compensate the families of the fallen.
Zelensky Says Ukraine Needs $27B as Russia Targets Odesa Ports, Grain Corridor
Three to four ships enter and leave Odesa daily despite Russian attacks, Zelensky said.
www.kyivpost.com
Former US presidential envoy Keith Kellogg said Ukraine should mobilize women into its Defense Forces, arguing they fight as effectively as men. Citing his own wife’s and daughter’s experience, he pointed to women already serving in combat roles and said their participation is an important part of society’s contribution to the war.
Kellogg Supports Mobilization of Ukrainian Women, Cites His Wife, Daughter Who Fought in Afghanistan
The US presidential envoy also urged Ukraine to ensure veterans receive psychological support and fair reintegration after the war.
www.kyivpost.com
I think women can serve anywhere but infantry artillery armor . combat arms generally . They have thier place, drone operators , pilots , admin, ect. but pushing them into the infantry is reeking of desperation ( personal experience, they all sucked )
Robin
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I think he means one if by hand, two if by me.
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So.....
Is anyone curious about why the CIA director Ratcliffe made a sudden surprise visit to Moscow yesterday for reasons unknown,
And also simultaneously,
Yesterday, Russia warned the UK that they should expect military retaliation for their continued military support of Ukraine killing Russians
And there are rumors of the UK PM quietly being relocated as well as the King.
Also, unverified"rumors" which appears to be conflicting accuracy, that the US embassy in Moscow was closing up shop after Ratcliffes surprise visit to Moscow was alleged to not go well.
This barely made the news cycle except for alternative media but it could spell big time escalation and trouble.
Is anyone curious about why the CIA director Ratcliffe made a sudden surprise visit to Moscow yesterday for reasons unknown,
And also simultaneously,
Yesterday, Russia warned the UK that they should expect military retaliation for their continued military support of Ukraine killing Russians
And there are rumors of the UK PM quietly being relocated as well as the King.
Also, unverified"rumors" which appears to be conflicting accuracy, that the US embassy in Moscow was closing up shop after Ratcliffes surprise visit to Moscow was alleged to not go well.
This barely made the news cycle except for alternative media but it could spell big time escalation and trouble.
spat
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An attack on the UK would fully involve NATO. Putin can't even handle Ukraine with some NATO hand-me-downs.
He better be real sure he wants that smoke.
It started with sending only defensive weapons to Ukraine and using them only on Ukrainian territory.
Every escalation decision made by NATO was based on expectation that Russia will not respond.
Every time Russia did not respond to avoid escalation, brought more escalation.
Maybe they had enough.
Every escalation decision made by NATO was based on expectation that Russia will not respond.
Every time Russia did not respond to avoid escalation, brought more escalation.
Maybe they had enough.
spat
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Or,
And this is just me throwing this out there.
Russia could fuck off back to the 1990s borders and stop an entire generation of Russians from dying.
The ridiculous NATO limits for "defense only" are the reason this has gone on so long.
They should have given Ukraine enough to crush the Russians right from the beginning any place they tried to organize troops.
They were scared of Russia's response. British and German missiles hitting Moscow and other Russian cities would have triggered a mirrored response from Russia. NATO had to proceed in steps, but now it reached the same point and all bets are off.
spat
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Yes, they were stupid.
You should almost always decide how far you're willing to go, and bring everything from the beginning.
Slow escalation never ends well. Always keep the diplomats well away from any military chain of command.
holdover
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something wicked this way comes. its very strange. He flew all that way on a c17or c5 just to talk a few moments then leave. Sounds like Putin didnt want to speak with him . Im guessing they needed clarification of intentions on something thats going on . maybe theyre moving missles around I dont know . probably moving something. could be a build up in Belarus, Possible action in Kaliningrad, Russia would definitely use nukes if Nato entered . just spitballing well have to wait and see
holdover
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Some internet chatter, cant say if its valid , but makes sense with the recent vist
Russia issues strong warning against the United Kingdom, stating that British military assets and equipment will be targets of direct responses from Russia, within Ukraine and in other countries. Maria Zakharova's statement reinforces rumors that Russia has been preparing a retaliatory strike on British assets due to its recent escalation in involvement in attacks against Russia.
Russia-NATO tensions are rising:Russia is preparing for the possibility of a Western military move near Kaliningrad. Kaliningrad’s strategic position makes it one of the most sensitive flashpoints between Russia and the alliance.
My impression is that Russia is saying it will use Nukes if Nato invades Kaliningrad , specificly against the UK mainland .
I dont hink Nato will do that, but is just trying to apply pressure to take some heat off Ukraine (Hopefully)
Russia issues strong warning against the United Kingdom, stating that British military assets and equipment will be targets of direct responses from Russia, within Ukraine and in other countries. Maria Zakharova's statement reinforces rumors that Russia has been preparing a retaliatory strike on British assets due to its recent escalation in involvement in attacks against Russia.
Russia-NATO tensions are rising:Russia is preparing for the possibility of a Western military move near Kaliningrad. Kaliningrad’s strategic position makes it one of the most sensitive flashpoints between Russia and the alliance.
My impression is that Russia is saying it will use Nukes if Nato invades Kaliningrad , specificly against the UK mainland .
I dont hink Nato will do that, but is just trying to apply pressure to take some heat off Ukraine (Hopefully)
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a lot of that makes sense and aligns with why director Ratcliffe made an urgent unplanned visit.
Hopefully the US can stay out of this.
It seems genuinely serious that the Ukraine conflict is about to be expanding.
Steal2B
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From multiple confirmed sources Ratcliffe delivered key security demands, warnings, and advice from the Trump administration to Russian intelligence which is the language Putin understands. The main points seem to be ....
Do Not Attack NATO:
Ratcliffe warned Russia against launching any overt or covert military or hybrid sabotage actions against NATO countries, particularly the Baltic states after U.S. intelligence assessments suggest Putin might test the alliance's resolve with a limited assault. They also discussed near border NATO training that the US did not endorse.
Cut Ties with Iran:
Ratcliffe esentially demanded that Moscow stop sharing intelligence, weapons, and defense technology with Iran.
End the Ukraine War:
Acting as a discreet messenger, Ratcliffe presented a bleak assessment of Russia's heavy battlefield losses and minimal territorial gains. He advised Russia to enter serious negotiations to end the war before Russia has a weaker bargaining position as its economic and military situation worsens further.
www.nytimes.com
Do Not Attack NATO:
Ratcliffe warned Russia against launching any overt or covert military or hybrid sabotage actions against NATO countries, particularly the Baltic states after U.S. intelligence assessments suggest Putin might test the alliance's resolve with a limited assault. They also discussed near border NATO training that the US did not endorse.
Cut Ties with Iran:
Ratcliffe esentially demanded that Moscow stop sharing intelligence, weapons, and defense technology with Iran.
End the Ukraine War:
Acting as a discreet messenger, Ratcliffe presented a bleak assessment of Russia's heavy battlefield losses and minimal territorial gains. He advised Russia to enter serious negotiations to end the war before Russia has a weaker bargaining position as its economic and military situation worsens further.
C.I.A. Chief Delivered Bleak Assessment of Russia’s War in Secretive Moscow Visit
John Ratcliffe’s meeting this week with a Russian intelligence chief was aimed at pushing the Kremlin to pursue a peace deal with Ukraine.
www.nytimes.com
From multiple confirmed sources Ratcliffe delivered key security demands, warnings, and advice from the Trump administration to Russian intelligence which is the language Putin understands. The main points seem to be ....
Do Not Attack NATO:
Ratcliffe warned Russia against launching any overt or covert military or hybrid sabotage actions against NATO countries, particularly the Baltic states after U.S. intelligence assessments suggest Putin might test the alliance's resolve with a limited assault. They also discussed near border NATO training that the US did not endorse.
Cut Ties with Iran:
Ratcliffe esentially demanded that Moscow stop sharing intelligence, weapons, and defense technology with Iran.
End the Ukraine War:
Acting as a discreet messenger, Ratcliffe presented a bleak assessment of Russia's heavy battlefield losses and minimal territorial gains. He advised Russia to enter serious negotiations to end the war before Russia has a weaker bargaining position as its economic and military situation worsens further.
C.I.A. Chief Delivered Bleak Assessment of Russia’s War in Secretive Moscow Visit
John Ratcliffe’s meeting this week with a Russian intelligence chief was aimed at pushing the Kremlin to pursue a peace deal with Ukraine.
N.Y. Times was a fly on the wall during this visit.
holdover
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Ratcliffe didnt have to go to Moscow to know Russia wont do any of it .From multiple confirmed sources Ratcliffe delivered key security demands, warnings, and advice from the Trump administration to Russian intelligence which is the language Putin understands. The main points seem to be ....
Do Not Attack NATO:
Ratcliffe warned Russia against launching any overt or covert military or hybrid sabotage actions against NATO countries, particularly the Baltic states after U.S. intelligence assessments suggest Putin might test the alliance's resolve with a limited assault. They also discussed near border NATO training that the US did not endorse.
Cut Ties with Iran:
Ratcliffe esentially demanded that Moscow stop sharing intelligence, weapons, and defense technology with Iran.
End the Ukraine War:
Acting as a discreet messenger, Ratcliffe presented a bleak assessment of Russia's heavy battlefield losses and minimal territorial gains. He advised Russia to enter serious negotiations to end the war before Russia has a weaker bargaining position as its economic and military situation worsens further.
C.I.A. Chief Delivered Bleak Assessment of Russia’s War in Secretive Moscow Visit
John Ratcliffe’s meeting this week with a Russian intelligence chief was aimed at pushing the Kremlin to pursue a peace deal with Ukraine.
How do you reconcile the major losses, while planning to attack Nato forces ? that doesnt make a lot of sense to me. On one hand Russia is getting its ass kicked and cant take ground but thinks its a good idea to attack the Baltic country's and possibly NATO? theyre struggling enough with Ukraine, they dont need any more headaches to deal with
I cant buy that that story , what I can buy is, NATO is looking for a door, to enter the war
theres no way Russia is going to stop aid to Iran Unless NATO stops aid to Ukraine , nothing in it for them , If NATO and US are going to do it to them then they are going to do it to US and NATO.
spat
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They didn't need the Ukraine headache at all either, but here we are.
Putin seems to have a major problem with getting in over his head, then doubling down when he's in trouble.
But, maybe you're right and NATO just wants to get involved and kick Russia out of Ukraine.
I guess they don't want Russia expanding their influence and getting close to NATO's border.
That was sufficient justification for an invasion wasn't it ?
Steal2B
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You're right on your points.
I'm long out of the game and won't jeopardize careers of those in the game but I'm passing on what appears to be a credible accounting of what is now being drizzled out to the media.
It looks like we wanted to get info to Putin's intelligence that 1a) ends a potential moronic play by Putin that our analysts found that will bring NATO's wrath and 1b) communicate that we do not endorse NATO exercises so close to Russian Territory 2) Put cards on the table to make it clear Putin and Russia are far better off not helping Iran kill US personnel, 3) From our perspective the costs of continuing the Ukraine shit is just not worth it and Putin's ego may be better served to settle now and likely see some potential reasonable Ukranian concessions.
holdover
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This sort of plays right into the hands of the Russians, The Russians will perceive we are not united , that Nato is cracking , might actually have the opposite effect .
Steal2B
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We already showed our hand on that.
The Trump 47 administration has consistently been concerned over European NATO members independently designing or pushing for highly aggressive, escalatory exercises that have not been fully coordinated or sanctioned by Washington.
It is not a secret that the Trump administration relies on personal diplomacy rather than military posturing and operates on a belief that in times of high tension massive and aggressive military exercises near Russian borders—such as those around the sensitive Russian enclave of Kaliningrad or the Baltic states—can easily be misinterpreted by Moscow since large-scale troop movements, live-fire drills, or airspace maneuvers can mimic the opening phases of an actual invasion.
It sounds like they were trying to dissuade any Russian response which we believe would be a hybrid asymmetrical response such as sabotage campaigns targeting infrastructure across NATO allies, drone and airspace incursions on allied borders and cyberattacks on critical logistics and communication hubs.
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Perhaps the Russians are seeing what Trump sees: NATO is primarily funded and actions in its name are primarily American and Trump has called out the other member Countries and rightly so...look at what England did in refusing to allow our Aircraft to land or operate out of their Bases, and while pointing out ineffectual organizations, lets not forget the biggest fuck up of all the United Nations...Wouldn't surprise or sadden me in the least if we kicked both to the Curb, and DJT is the Man to do it.
holdover
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got no argument with that.
There seems to be a lot of rumors and speculation about this conflict about to widen and expand....