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Incorrect. He said the sate took away the rights of the property owners by doing this and that the system they had previously worked fine. Court respectfully disagrees with that argument, because (through this prohibition) the State of New York is now making a decision for private property...

They are referenced in some of the news articles coming out, and that social media requirement has been restrained so it is likely.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the new suit that challenges "open carry". Where are they going to find historical context of open carry being banned? How did people conceal their flintlock pistols in 1790? As far a I know the only people who hid their weapons were criminals...

One of them was. They said they were unwilling to hand over social media accounts. Should have also said they were unwilling to take any training.

Update because someone asked, the stay is for 3 BUSINESS DAYS, so it doesn't take effect until Wednesday.

It's the same judge. It was dismissed on standing, then he wrote out instructions on how to fix it, and they did, and now he has restrained the state from enforcing this.

Not till Monday. If you want to get technical. I'm not sure how someone could be arrested and charged between now and then. I would think the charges would have to be dropped Monday when this goes into effect.

This is an emergency restraining order to prevent persons from irreparable harm. Nobody is under risk of harm from references or training requirements. Calm down. This is not over. Just a temporary, emergency action.

I love the lengths the judge went to for this. Even some of the restricted places that remain say they can remain "for now". This may not be over. We might get even more. For the "no carrying at a bar" the judge references that while there is some history of Wyoming banning carry in a bar in...

TRO DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT FOR 3 DAYS.. I FOR ONE WON'T BE WAITING.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.134829/gov.uscourts.nynd.134829.27.0_1.pdf

TRO HAS BEEN ISSUED

TEMPORARILY RESTRAINED from enforcing the following provisions of the Concealed Carry Improvement Act, 2022 N.Y. Sess. Laws ch. 371 (“CCIA”): (1) the provisions contained in Section 1 of the CCIA requiring “good moral character” EXCEPT to the extent it is construed to mean that a license shall...

It was state law. The judge had no discretion. Had to be done.

The only people who will have to take the training to renew are those downstate. Most of the state will not be required to train to renew. This has been stated by the agencies tasked with formulating these guidelines. The difference is renew vs rectify. Downstate permits expire and must be...

Camera guy is an idiot. Those 2 cops are idiots. They say the guy is baiting them and that is at least partially true. If nothing happens the video sucks and he doesn't get the views. But the cops are the ones taking the bait so what does that make them? As I said. Idiots all around.

Reasonably or knowingly believes.... That is important. If that is how they wrote it it is relevant. So place A wasn't banned for 100 years so what would make someone reasonably think it is any different now? If you can show you have been going somewhere for 30 years you instill serious doubt...

One thing I found interesting that I was talking to my buddy about is that the law is worded that you're guilty of possession in a sensitive place if you knew or should have known that you are in such place. Well how would I or should I reasonably know such thing is a sensitive place if I've...

It bypassed "codes" which is where it would go and the committee would take a look and try to find things wrong with the bill. Different scenarios and so on and so forth. Well it went there but they weren't given any time to read it. It was rushed through in an emergency manor. This is what was...

Heard it explained on a popular YouTube channel today that the state police will need to run the background checks for firearms and ammo sales. No longer does the local FFL dealer do it. So you will fill out your info and the dealer will send it to state police then they will do it on their own...

LOL. Letters? Are you delusional? Sorry but nobody is reading or giving a shit about letters. Right in the trash they'll go. Dont waste your time.

Ok so they read the ruling and then passed new laws to mitigate it. Now what? FPC has put the NY governor "on notice". I'm sure she'll change her ways real quick. NOT. Seems like this is just pissing into the wind.

What about other states having sensitive places? That will factor in as well. Other states have bans on carrying into a bar for example. Just because NY didn't doesn't mean they won't look to the history of other states doing it.

I mean we know why now. Because now people other than their special friends will be given permits. They could argue that before there was a higher burden for issuance therefore the areas weren't as sensitive as they would be if higher numbers of the general population were allowed to carry...

Or you would just buy a pistol and keep it in a locker at the training facility. Who knows. There are ways to do it. Or maybe the trainers would have a handful of guns to teach with that would stay with them. You dont necessarily have to train on the exact gun you want to buy.

Problem is, the NY lawmakers also read the Thomas decision and in their opinion the new carry restrictions are in line with it. Thus why it will need to go back to SCOTUS to define what is and is not allowed, specifically. Otherwise you're just getting other peoples views on what the decision...

NYSRPA v. Bruen and the Future of the Sensitive Places Doctrine - Boston College Law Review - Boston College This really explains a lot of the historical sensitive places.

Bad news for us. Lots of history of gun bans and sensitive areas. I. The Historical Scope of the Sensitive Places Doctrine Historically, the sensitive places doctrine has gone well beyond the narrow category suggested by Justice Alito’s question and advocated by Halbrook.10 Starting at the...

Seems as sensitive areas were indeed discussed in this case, despite what the resident comedian has claimed. Justice Alito, who posed the following question to petitioners’ counsel at oral argument: So starting with that, could we analyze the sensitive place question by asking whether this is...

Oh look, another joke. Who could have seen that coming? Im here to have serious discussion on this specific topic. Not slap stick comedic attempts. Sorry.

Explain. I thought the new law made it a felony to carry in a restricted place.

I was being facetious. I think the state legislator that was being interviewed on a radio program probably has a better grasp of the situation than some random guy on the internet that likes to post goof ball stuff when others are trying to have a serious adult conversation.

Maybe, if so you probably just threw your pistols in a bin out front and retrieved it when you left. I saw something to that effect on a show I watched once. Who knows if its accurate though.

Then I guess the law will stand as written. Thank you. I can now sell my pistols as they can not legally be carried virtually anywhere after September 1st, and are sub-par for home protection.

I'm sure they didn't allow persons that were charged with crimes to carry arms before the magistrate.

Maybe, but it is vague and the lawmaker that was on the radio was outlining some of this. Somewhere, someone will need to clarify what areas can be sensitive, or else they all will be as they are trying to do now. Actually I should say as they have done now because the law has been passed.

Yea I dont know exactly what the process is but there will need to be some clarifications for sure.

I heard someone on the radio say that it might have to go back to SCOTUS so they can define what sensitive places are. Like maybe just a supporting document to clarify.

What about the prosecutors? Couldn't a 2A friendly county just not prosecute people? Or how about the police grow a pair and ignore the unconstitutional laws?

They changed the law so you can train without a permit.

September 1

Source is the lawmakers. Read the bill. Its an E felony.

Oh and we cant carry at a restaurant either anymore? Every place other than maybe a diner or something has a liquor license. 95% of all restaurants I bet. So I guess im not going out to dinner anymore or taking uber. Assholes. All we can hope for is legal challenges and maybe the law will be...

I haven't been here in a few days, too busy with work and 4th of July "sales". But a few things, the training is for new applicants as well as those that have to renew. The bill says something along the lines of "shall be rectified or renewed in the same manor" as applying for the original...

Just read they are going to make it a 4 year felony for carrying in a restricted place.

What does that have to do with anything? You are comparing your employment requirements with my natural rights.

Doesn't work that way. The complaint is you were suspicious. The pat down is completely constitutional. Its been upheld over and over. Any encounter. Pat pat pat. No weapon, no problem. Again, its not a search.

Cool. You win. Anyway....

It has been posted before. Please pay attention. Where do you think myself and others here posting got it? I am not going to cater to a specific individual who doesn't "get it". Thats one of the problems in our society these days. Keep playing the victim. We do not care.