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Isn’t better they are in jail than in public? The psych doctor gives them medication, they stop being crazy enough to hold them, they are released. They go off the medication, then attack people. They go back to the psych ward, get medication, let back out The cycle goes round and round again. I...

They need both. The question isn’t if they are crazy but if they are criminally responsible. Big difference. And sometimes it’s the incarceration that brings out the crazy, not that they weren’t before , but not that crazy on the outside.

It’s a revolving door. I had one person brought to the psych ward, released a few hours later, walked out of the hospital, immediately walked a few blocks away and attempted to commit suicide. And because their psych history is confidential, the public rarely knows how often this happens. When...

You do realize that police officers in NYS do this every day? It’s nothing new. The cop can’t “commit “ you. He can make you go for the involuntary psych eval . It’s nothing new. It’s a routine thing in a cop’s duties. This announcement is just smoke and mirrors .

Me too. But I also shoot out of NY more than in NY.

They take civil actions in federal court . It would cost a lot of money.

They get sued in federal court and get judgements against them. The ammo companies have to pay legal expenses fighting the lawsuit and while the AG’s office has lawyers already on staff.

I think the “ Yankees “ moving from NY, Boston , etc for the past few years may have driven up prices. It has happened any place my wife and I looked out down south.

Is it that really bad? Wow.

Is that household income or per person income? The article says homeowner. If it’s one person, most of us couldn’t afford a starter home on one salary around here 15 years ago. A starter home has almost always been tough going in the beginning.

The terry case was actually meant to be a way to rein in police officers, not give them the power to stop. It’s actually cited in Terry, a New York case as an example what not to do. In terry, the officer patted down the suspect, then felt an object, then went into the suspects pocket or...

The NYPD cops who worked for Guiliani in the 1990s hate him because of all the work they did then got shafted in contract talks. They went from one of the highest paid departments in the 1980s to among one of the lowest in the area. That and other reasons . As far as legacy , either one of them...

Stop and frisk form ( it’s an actual form used for a terry stop) had been around since the late 1970s/early 80s. It’s original intent was if a person was suspected of a crime but probable cause couldn’t be established yet( having to let the person go) , the detectives would have a place to...

Stop and frisk was not under Guiliani. That was under Bloomberg and Ray Kelly. Guiliani and Bill Bratton did something more novel—- enforce the law. Enforce small stuff and the criminals won’t be around to do the bigger stuff. That simple.

I stand corrected

Yes, I understand that they would . Cops get the training in the police academy etc etc and get continuous training . Some good , some bad . But if you don’t do it all the time , that skill set is not developed and can even diminish. More importantly it’s a mind set .A “police officer” can...

Easy. They limit the wording of the opinion to say you can’t ban it on subways . But NYC would say the law you would be violating would say nothing about subways .

Yes and no. Uniform guys would be the grunts . Detectives or plainclothes would be the special operators and the spies would be the undercover cops. Financial crimes would tend to be a completely different branch but that capacity can also in the police force, depending on the department. The...

Yes. And that police officer would have been trained at some point too. But there would be lower expectation of performance to perform in combat beyond a basic level correct ? Would that navy cook be expected to perform small unit tactics to the level that an infantry man would beyond holding a...

I think my point is the opposite but simThe cook( if in the army ) and the Ranger are all soldiers . Not all soldiers are rangers. Not all police/peace officers are cops. It’s a destination of how that police officer works. Not all police officers in the same department are considered cops...

Actually I have a good understanding of the military. My comparison might have been a poor one to get my point across . The title of “ cop” is not a civil service title , nor in the law. An FBI agent is not a cop. There is a reason why in LE circles the term LEO is used more because a cop is a...

Again, it’s the title of cop vs police/peace officer. There is a difference. Can that cook be called a Ranger without pissing some rangers off if they didn’t go to ranger school or regiment? Corrections officers have a very tough job , are LE , and aren’t cops. FBI agents are LE but aren’t cops .

Honoring their service is not the same as calling them something that they are not. The person who pushed the papers in a police department might be a sworn officer , have arrests powers , but it doesn’t make them a cop. It’s an important job but it doesn’t make them a cop. They have a title of...

It’s okay. I worked for both big and small LE. I think it’s the Penis envy of some departments because they aren’t respected and have a complex about it-lol Small departments ( in comparison to larger departments) get mad respect from a lot of NYPD officers because the individual officer is...

I know they are technically part of the military that’s why I used the comparison. But to compare them to someone who served in Afghanistan or on a ship at sea isn’t the same . It’s like that with someone with arrest powers and calling them a cop. It’s like calling one of them a marine .

NYC sheriffs aren’t cops. They don’t answer 911 calls, they don’t run a jail or house prisoners, only do civil enforcement and rarely make arrests . Court officers do more enforcement And there are plenty of NYPD police officers who aren’t cops either but are employed by that department with the...

Not a cop but a peace officer. There is a big difference in the LE community. It’s like saying someone in space force is the military. Military in name but not the same . DA’s have their own “investigators” with police officer powers, a probation officer who has never held a gun or made an...

The majority of the people in the video of the first biker anttack on the westside hwy are white or Hispanic. And in the 1970s the Hell’s Angels gas a reputation for doing similar things on the highways out west .

Stop making sense -lol

They will have people like the NYC sheriffs department who will step in when real cops won’t to enforce those court decisions.

You do realize, the defund people were only talking about the police but not the courts ?

A lot of Hispanic males too. Some white. South Boston is known for the white version of this. Mark Wahlberg ( Markie Mark) is from that environment and turned his life around .

Cops aren’t chasing them because if they wipe out in the chase, the cops are being blamed for it . Some are even being criminally charged for such events.

In the Range Rover incident there were multiple races in that gang . European. Asian, Black . One was even an undercover cop. https://nypost.com/2013/10/08/biker-cop-in-beatdown-could-be-busted-as-early-as-tonight/

The easy answer is to get plainclothes officers to run up on the bikers who block off the roads for the gang stunts . Arrest them, have a DA actually prosecute them. No need for a big chase.

The Range Rover incident wasn’t .

Agreed, But this policy isn’t new. And note, it was the pistol section that did it. Not the cops at the scene .

That isn’t a new law or rule. That’s not under CCIA. It wasn’t declared unconstitutional because she didn’t notify the pistol section of the incident . However, I do believe it’s unconstitutional under the 5th admendment.

They are not ignoring it. That’s why the made the new law. They are “reframing “ part of the majority opinion, even if they know it will be overturned. No one has been arrested on the new law that I know that wasn’t illegal under the old law

Also, the legitimacy of the courts and the police are gone in such a case. Most officers will not enforce a law that they know was ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS. It’s that simple for various reasons .

So, he wasn’t charged or got a ticket. They brought him back to the stationhouse ( barracks) while they figured things out.

How do you know the charges are non violent or a threat of violence? I just trying to imagine what the charges could be.