Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

Uninformed and Compliant · Nov 16, 2022

CaseHardened said:
Tulsi should be president.

Would be cute, but she was anti gun, conspiring to directly violate and subvert the supreme law of the land.

That cunt belongs in prison for her sedition. End of story.

The word "shall" is compulsory. Either laws mean something to her, or she is feral. And that's that.

Mosinitis · Nov 16, 2022

spat said:
"Soviet passports"

There's a reliable source of data if ever I saw one.

That's like using 1940s German passports as a metric to measure how many Jewish people were living in Berlin LOL.

Lots of cases of non-Russians who were listed as Russian in Soviet passport because people wanted it and there were ways to do it, but you will be hard pressed to find cases where people who weren't ethnically Russian and didn't want to be that were listed as Russian in Soviet passports.

Billions of dollars were poured into Ukraine by Washington to change people's genetic memory through false history, lies and hate mongering.
Russian Federation was ill equipped and unprepared to counter that, which they now regret.
This is what Washington does all over the world to instigate conflicts and come in as a problem solver advancing its own geopolitical goals and profiteering by people in charge of instigating such conflicts. The later becomes more of a factor than former.

Mosinitis · Nov 16, 2022

GOPerfect said:
Look at that, I stated hours and hours ago that it was the Ukraines that murdered those innocent Polish farmers...

It took the US and the world all this extra time to make this announcement.

Still, the mask wearing fools will still support this dirty little Army.

I am sure Ukraine did it accidentally and drawing NATO into direct involvement didn't enter their mind. Right in the middle of G-20 meeting and sensing their support around the world is beginning to slip away.

Drinkthekoolaid · Nov 16, 2022

Mosinitis said:
I am sure Ukraine did it accidentally and drawing NATO into direct involvement didn't enter their mind. Right in the middle of G-20 meeting and sensing their support around the world is beginning to slip away.

I doubt they did it intentionally.

More like error, mechanical failure or operator incompetence.

It's a SAM. it's a surface to air missile. It has no guidance or targeting capabilities to target a land attack.

Now, on the flip side of "letting no crisis go to waste" I'm sure zelensky about creamed himself at the opportunity to muddy the waters and get more international support. He would LOVE NATO to suddenly hop in on his side. As an analogy it reminds me of old WWE tag team matches where the weaker guy is getting pummeled and is literally crawling trying to tag his bigger partner to come save him but everytime he's almost there he gets pulled back in to the middle and pounded on again. That's Russia, zelensky and NATO. Maybe I'll make a meme later

Drinkthekoolaid · Nov 16, 2022

1341 · Nov 16, 2022

Drinkthekoolaid said:
I doubt they did it intentionally.

More like error, mechanical failure or operator incompetence.

It's a SAM. it's a surface to air missile. It has no guidance or targeting capabilities to target a land attack.

Now, on the flip side of "letting no crisis go to waste" I'm sure zelensky about creamed himself at the opportunity to muddy the waters and get more international support. He would LOVE NATO to suddenly hop in on his side. As an analogy it reminds me of old WWE tag team matches where the weaker guy is getting pummeled and is literally crawling trying to tag his bigger partner to come save him but everytime he's almost there he gets pulled back in to the middle and pounded on again. That's Russia, zelensky and NATO. May

I would think the Ukrainians are using the s300 as a sam, but the russians have been using their s300 as land attack missiles according to multiple sources. It is starting to look as everyone is coming to the consensus that it was a Ukrainian s300 that either failed to self destruct after missing its target or some other mechanical failure.

Drinkthekoolaid said:
be I'll make a meme later

DoOver · Nov 16, 2022

CaseHardened said:
Tulsi should be president.

Oh yea, gun grabber Lilly Munster's got mi vote.

NOT!!

DoOver · Nov 16, 2022

Mosinitis said:
The missile was fired by Ukraine after all.

Organge Man calls zit.

prambo · Nov 16, 2022

Cocaine Rocket Man

"It’s clear by now that both sides are performing their roles in this theatrical orchestrated farcical conflict designed to keep the masses always on edge.

And so another day later a Russian-made Ukrainian-fired S-300 “defensive” missile(s) hits a farm in Poland and kills two Poles…in one of the most remote regions of the country?

Uh-huh.

Ukraine claims they shot down roughly 70 Russian missiles during yesterday’s attack. The official story is that one of the Ukrainian missiles that ended up in Poland was defensive and missed its target."

"Trusting official Ukrainian figures on anything that comes from their ministry of propaganda is like trusting anything that drools from the retarded actors performing journalism for western corporate media outlets."

GOPerfect · Nov 16, 2022

Mosinitis · Nov 16, 2022

Liberal love affair with Ukrainian Nazis continues.

Defilade · Nov 16, 2022

GOPerfect · Nov 17, 2022

Mosinitis · Nov 17, 2022

I guess Zelensky can take that Oscar and shove it up Sean Penn's ass. Ukrainian victory is not in the cards.

spat · Nov 17, 2022

holdover said:
US Army General Mark Milley:

''Ukraine should think about negotiating with the Russian Federation to resolve the situation since it will be extremely difficult for Kyiv to achieve a military victory. We are all well aware that the military task, which is to physically achieve the expulsion of Russians from Ukraine, is very difficult. And this will not happen any time soon unless there is a complete collapse of the Russian army, which is unlikely. Therefore, the likelihood of a military victory for Ukraine, defined as the expulsion of Russians from all of Ukraine, including Crimea, the likelihood of such a development of events in any near future is low. This problem can be solved politically. The Russians can leave the territory of Ukraine only following the political decision that we must achieve during future negotiations with the Russian Federation''

To what end, so they can invade again in 2026 and take another chunk ?

It doesn't make sense for Ukraine to do anything but fight at this point.

spat · Nov 17, 2022

holdover said:
Yup, the Russians arnt going anywhere and they sure as hell are not going to negotiate anything.

They already said they will not negotiate with zelinsky.

This problem can be solved politically. The Russians can leave the territory of Ukraine only following the political decision that we must achieve during future negotiations with the Russian Federation''

I dont believe Russians are going to be in any mood to negotiate anything. My read is that NATO support for the war is not unlimited. That if the Ukrainians do not not settle it, Russia will eventually crush them .

It simply comes down to whether Russia runs out of resources to throw into the meat grinder before NATO decides they're getting bored.

The fact that every corporation in the military industrial complex is experiencing their greatest orgasm in decades does not bode well for Russia.

Raytheon, Lockheed, etc... all get to collect cold war size paychecks, with 0 risk of American casualties tells me they are willing to fight to the last Russian or Ukranian. I'm not even sure they care which it is.

tirwin1 · Nov 17, 2022

spat said:
It simply comes down to whether Russia runs out of resources to throw into the meat grinder before NATO decides they're getting bored.

The fact that every corporation in the military industrial complex is experiencing their greatest orgasm in decades does not bode well for Russia.

Raytheon, Lockheed, etc... all get to collect cold war size paychecks, with 0 risk of American casualties tells me they are willing to fight to the last Russian or Ukranian. I'm not even sure they care which it is.

I agree. A stalemate is the perfect scenario for the Warhawks and defense contractors. War without end with the need for continuous hardware transfers to Ukraine. Putin won't stop because backing down is a quick trip to assassination. The Ukrainians won't stop until they reclaim all lost territory. Neither side seems capable of defeating the other. So endless war it is. The people of Ukraine and Russia will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future.

spat · Nov 17, 2022

tirwin1 said:
I agree. A stalemate is the perfect scenario for the Warhawks and defense contractors. War without end with the need for continuous hardware transfers to Ukraine. Putin won't stop because backing down is a quick trip to assassination. The Ukrainians won't stop until they reclaim all lost territory. Neither side seems capable of defeating the other. So endless war it is. The people of Ukraine and Russia will continue to suffer for the foreseeable future.

Worse, they're in a position to throttle the support to *keep* it going indefinitely.

If they'd shipped all their best stuff it would have ended months ago.

They'll slow down the closer Ukraine gets to "winning" too.

They'll drag this shit show out as along as possible.

tirwin1 · Nov 17, 2022

tirwin1 · Nov 17, 2022

spat said:
Worse, they're in a position to throttle the support to *keep* it going indefinitely.

If they'd shipped all their best stuff it would have ended months ago.

They'll slow down the closer Ukraine gets to "winning" too.

They'll drag this shit show out as along as possible.

Yes, the cynicism is absolutely breathtaking.

Drinkthekoolaid · Nov 18, 2022

Super odd....

Lost in everything else that happened yesterday is Ukraine shot down a Russian kh-55 nuclear cruise missile. The missile had a dummy warhead in it.

Very very odd and I can't understand what that implies.

spat · Nov 18, 2022

holdover said:
That might be our plan, but I think the Russians have other plans.

I'm sure they have other desires, but I'm not sure I'd call them plans.

Russia is completely outclassed by the power of the NATO military industrial base. They can keep throwing what's left of their youth into the meat grinder with old Soviet era weapons all they want. Raytheon is laughing all the way to the bank.

They're setting themselves up for an utter demographic collapse at best.

ArmedCorgi · Nov 18, 2022

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Super odd....

Lost in everything else that happened yesterday is Ukraine shot down a Russian kh-55 nuclear cruise missile. The missile had a dummy warhead in it.

Very very odd and I can't understand what that implies.

Source?

Drinkthekoolaid · Nov 18, 2022

ArmedCorgi said:
Source?

It's super strange to use that tactic and I have no idea what Russia is trying to do there I can't even speculate v

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