Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

Seems like all of the attacks, Syria, Iran and Iraq are showing others; they are all tired of the American involvement.

More like Biden's CIA have told them we are done protecting anyone outside the US. They can have the Kurds the way we gave our Afghani allies to the Taliban.

Next week is probably a meeting with Xi to hand over Taiwain.

Things are certainly getting very sporty indeed.

 

[Mosinitis]

Zelensky is running out of Western dignitaries to schmooze with. Now he is down to chefs. Who will be next? Barbers from Seville?

 

[DoOver]

Ian Miles Cheong

@stillgray
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Hey remember when this was considered a war crime?
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LogKa

@LogKa11
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Ukrainian soldiers dipping their bullets in lard (pig fat) because they’re fighting against Muslims. Their “EU values” are showing clearly







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[DoOver]

Kim Dotcom

@KimDotcom
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“No one should support Ukraine” — Jens Stoltenberg Secretary General NATO He meant to say Russia but this Freudian slip says a lot about the NATO mood. Probably because
@ZelenskyyUa
attempts to pull NATO into the US proxy war with false flags and lies.








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Nina Byzantina

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[DoOver]

 

[Defilade]

 

[holdover]

This guy is telling you right. Its corrupt to the core.

 

[holdover]

Ukraine had a good run, but thier time is comming . No power, no gas, no diesel, and pretty soon no food. Its going to be one hell of a winter for them . the ground will be freezing up soon, russian mobilization will be almost ready .

 

[Mosinitis]

Ukraine is getting into a huge social problem as well. Men under the age of 60 are forbidden to leave the country. Women and children are encouraged to do so by Ukrainian government. While Ukrainian men are fighting the war, their families are moving to European countries, where many of the women are shacking up with European men. They will never go back to Ukraine. When the war ends and men will return, they aren't going to be happy about losing their families. Angry war vets will be a huge problem.

 

[Defilade]

This guy is telling you right. Its corrupt to the core.

View attachment reagan.mp4

 

[spat]

Ukraine is getting into a huge social problem as well. Men under the age of 60 are forbidden to leave the country. Women and children are encouraged to do so by Ukrainian government. While Ukrainian men are fighting the war, their families are moving to European countries, where many of the women are shacking up with European men. They will never go back to Ukraine. When the war ends and men will return, they aren't going to be happy about losing their families. Angry war vets will be a huge problem.

They'll just get Russian mail order brides desperate to leave a country with an imploding economy and with all the military age men dead.

 

[Mosinitis]

They'll just get Russian mail order brides desperate to leave a country with an imploding economy and with all the military age men dead.

Ukrainian casualties are higher than Russian and Ukraine is a smaller country. If it's a war of attrition, Russia will win by default. Russian economy is unscathed. Ukrainian economy is on life support, surviving on foreign aid.

 

[spat]

Ukrainian casualties are higher than Russian and Ukraine is a smaller country. If it's a war of attrition, Russia will win by default. Russian economy is unscathed. Ukrainian economy is on life support, surviving on foreign aid.

We shall see.

Should I look back at your old predictions in this thread to see what your track record for accuracy in this matter is ?

 

[Defilade]

We shall see.

Should I look back at your old predictions in this thread to see what your track record for accuracy in this matter is ?

And shall we see who is funding the Ukraine side of things? Disgusting!

 

[Mosinitis]

We shall see.

Should I look back at your old predictions in this thread to see what your track record for accuracy in this matter is ?

No one can predict the future, you are distorting what is going on today.

 

[spat]

No one can predict the future, you are distorting what is going on today.

Pretty sure at least a few people will have perfectly predicted things.

You just can't tell who it will be ahead of time.

However there are some people you can be pretty sure are wrong.

The ones who have been wrong about everything so far would be pretty suspect.

 

[tirwin1]

FWIW - Next May is when things will get really sporting:

 

[Bigfoot]

"President Biden's administration is scrambling to track the nearly $20 billion in military aid it has sent to Ukraine as Republicans warn of impending audits when they take control of the House in January."

Biden admin scrambles to track $20B in Ukraine aid as House Republicans warn of audits

President Biden's administration has tracked just 10% of the weapons sent to Ukraine, and Republicans in Congress are threatening audits and more aggressive oversight.

www.foxnews.com

10% 20% for the Big Guy

 

[prambo]

As if there was anything else, money wise, to launder through Ukraine to the "elites"...

D.C. Think Tank Urges America To "Invest" In Zelensky's $1 Trillion Reconstruction Plan | ZeroHedge

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky during a video address on Tuesday estimated it will cost more than $1 trillion to rebuild his country following the Russian assault, now over nine months in. If this number sounds absolutely shocking and unrealistic... it is, given this would be five times Ukraine's entire GDP."

Guess we can die by hypothermia while eating cricket-burgers and meal worm-fries, but Ukraine will be the "Garden of Eden".

 

[spat]

"President Biden's administration is scrambling to track the nearly $20 billion in military aid it has sent to Ukraine as Republicans warn of impending audits when they take control of the House in January."

Biden admin scrambles to track $20B in Ukraine aid as House Republicans warn of audits

President Biden's administration has tracked just 10% of the weapons sent to Ukraine, and Republicans in Congress are threatening audits and more aggressive oversight.

www.foxnews.com

10% 20% for the Big Guy

And by "track" they mean "find all the evidence of where it went and make it disappear".

 

[prambo]

It seems that everything is being done to weaken fUSA.MIL and inch closer to WWIII...

US Poised To 'Dramatically Expand' Training Of Ukrainian Forces | ZeroHedge

"The proposal would involve US advisers training "much larger groups of Ukrainian soldiers in more sophisticated battlefield tactics" at American installations in Germany, and perhaps other locations in Europe, according to the new report."

Starting to smell like Vietnam.

The US Is Now Propping Up Tiny Moldova's Energy Sector Too | ZeroHedge

"more aid to the Ukrainian government, particularly focusing on propping up its devastated energy infrastructure, but also for the first time unveiling that the tiny country of Moldova will be receiving significant aid for its failing energy grid."

By all means, let's support another Eastern European nation...while the fUSA power grid decays.

Naval Academy Withholding Diplomas from Unvaccinated Midshipmen, Lawmakers Say | National Review

Lets not forget to keep fUSA.MIL in tip-top shape and build morale...

But, I hear rumbles that Thoroughly Modern Millie has convinced Lloyd "I'm Fully Vaccinated" Austin to make bulk purchases of these in all sizes...

 

[fresch]

Is this still a thing?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Is this still a thing?

In the event you're not being too facetious and for the sake of others.... Yes....

It's in a bit of a lull but that doesn't mean by any stretch it's over or tensions have lessened. Maybe even the opposite the spring is coiling back up under an increasingly heavy force and sooner or later it's going to let go again something is going to have to happen soon. Likely Russia is close to beginning their winter offensive.

IMO their offensive can play out 2 ways.

If Russia really is incompetent, they suffer very heavy losses and are not taking objectives then there is a very real chance of tactical nukes being used.

If Russia begins to steamroll Ukraine I can't imagine Poland and NATO just taking it and letting Russia advance westward. This is also a bad outcome.

Both of these scenarios will cause ww3 escalations for different reasons.

The best case scenario but IMO least likely is to have a peace deal where Russia keep the Donbass and Crimea and Ukraine pledges to not join NATO and everything essentially freezes as is. I do not see this happening at all. I would compare it to a poker game where too many people have invested too much of their money in bad hands and are now pot committed and won't just cut their losses but double down and go all in to try and overcome bad earlier decisions

 

[DoOver]

 

[Mosinitis]

 

[holdover]

The best case scenario but IMO least likely is to have a peace deal where Russia keep the Donbass and Crimea and Ukraine pledges to not join NATO and everything essentially freezes as is. I do not see this happening at all.

Its all or nothing for Russia. they cant trust the west. Ukraine violated the Maiden treaty. US does nothing but lie. Ask the Indians about the US treaty's. Only one way out for Russia and that is to blast Ukraine into dust. Stop the threat. Theres no peacefull resolution possible now .

I feel bad for soldiers on both sides, the carnage is like something from WW1

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Its all or nothing for Russia. they cant trust the west. Ukraine violated the Maiden treaty. US does nothing but lie. Ask the Indians about the US treaty's. Only one way out for Russia and that is to blast Ukraine into dust. Stop the threat. Theres no peacefull resolution possible now .

I feel bad for soldiers on both sides, the carnage is like something from WW1

Yes in many ways they are essentially fighting ww1 with modern weapons. It sounds horrible.


But for the points I mentioned and what you said above I don't see it going well. Ukraine is never going to agree to lose territory and not join NATO.

Russia can't lose.

NATO doesn't want Russia to win and they're willing to try and prevent it.


All those various competing interests are diametrically opposed. It's like the old parable of what happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object.

I don't know when or how, but I can't envision a scenario where nuclear weapons aren't used. Seriously talk me down and tell me why they won't be.

 

[holdover]

Nobody knows the future. But Russia wont use nukes unless Ukraine invades Russia,(proper) which it wont. The west wont use nukes unless Russia uses them first. in the case of russian defeat in Ukraine, the turmoil in Russia may cause some serious problems for them. They could break apart withen 1 or 2 years and Balkanize into several states or nations which is what the west is hoping for in my opinion.

In the event of a Russian victory , I dont see them crossing the Dniper at this point and a new cold war would begin again .

Thats kinda what I see happening at the moment . I dont see NATO jumping in,in force because Russia could be overwhelmed and feel they have no other choice but to launch.

I dont think they will go nuclear, but on the other hand we have never been so close to war with Russia in the past either.

the west isnt looking to invade Russia , its looking to cripple it or break it up , destroy her in another way . Just my humble opinion

 

[ArmedCorgi]

the west isnt looking to invade Russia , its looking to cripple it or break it up , destroy her in another way . Just my humble opinion

I feel like to russia, those are one in the same.