Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[GOPerfect]

U.S. has intel that Russian commanders have orders to proceed with Ukraine invasion

The intelligence indicates that commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sector of the battlefield.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[ManualF150]

Russia also brought in 10 or more ships into the Sea of Azov today around noon time.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

"Washington — The U.S. has intelligence that Russian commanders have received orders to proceed with an invasion of Ukraine, with commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sectors of the battlefield, a U.S. official told CBS News.

The orders don't mean a invasion is a certainty, as Russian President Vladimir Putin could still change the orders if he changes his mind, the official said."

That's all I need to read to call bull shit.
"Russian commanders have received orders to invade Ukraine, but that doesn't mean it will definitely happen...." what kind of word smithing is that crap?

 

[ManualF150]

"Washington — The U.S. has intelligence that Russian commanders have received orders to proceed with an invasion of Ukraine, with commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sectors of the battlefield, a U.S. official told CBS News.

The orders don't mean a invasion is a certainty, as Russian President Vladimir Putin could still change the orders if he changes his mind, the official said."

That's all I need to read to call bull shit.
"Russian commanders have received orders to invade Ukraine, but that doesn't mean it will definitely happen...." what kind of word smithing is that crap?

I still betcha Ukraine is gonna get invaded, and we'll also be dealing with:

1. Canadian trucker protest.
2. US trucker protest.
3. Possible China and Taiwan invasion.
4. Whatever else decides to come falling apart like a game of Jenga.

If you haven't already, I suggest trying to get prepared; food, water; guns; gold; ammo, etc, etc.

 

[prambo]

And, as others had said here, it's just a distraction fabricated by President Shitty Pants handlers...

Ron Klain's Domestic Motive for Ukraine Crisis Surfaces - White House to Blame Economic Collapse, Gas Prices and Inflation on Manufactured Russia-Ukraine Conflict - The Last Refuge

 

[Celt]

I still betcha Ukraine is gonna get invaded, and we'll also be dealing with:

1. Canadian trucker protest.
2. US trucker protest.
3. Possible China and Taiwan invasion.
4. Whatever else decides to come falling apart like a game of Jenga.

If you haven't already, I suggest trying to get prepared; food, water; guns; gold; ammo, etc, etc.

Yeah, how soon until China invades Taiwan? They certainly want to while we have sleepy joe in office.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Yeah, how soon until China invades Taiwan? They certainly want to while we have sleepy joe in office.

How funny would that be? Washington is so consumed with hyping up a fake invasion in Ukraine, they end up with a real one on the other side of the world.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Well the Olympics are over.

Let's see what happens

 

[holdover]

U.S. has intel that Russian commanders have orders to proceed with Ukraine invasion

The intelligence indicates that commanders on the ground making specific plans for how they would maneuver in their sector of the battlefield.

www.cbsnews.com

True or not, Biden just threw Putin a bone, and Im sure Putin's gonna chew on it.

If it is true, and this information did get out, All Putin has to do is delay it to make Biden look even stupider than he is.

You can bet your ass , the Russians will delay it a few more days just to make the point that the US intell isn't as good as they claim . Hes going to rub Bidens nose in it , in front of the whole world.

And We both know that ground assault will be preceded by a massive cruise missile strike and air campaign.

 

[holdover]

Just to remind some people what a real Artillery strike with cluster bombs looks like Russian strike Syria 2015





If the Russians were going to attack , you would see this across the entire border for days , along with air strikes . there would be no doubt as who did what.

 

[GOPerfect]

True or not, Biden just threw Putin a bone, and Im sure Putin's gonna chew on it.

If it is true, and this information did get out, All Putin has to do is delay it to make Biden look even stupider than he is.

You can bet your ass , the Russians will delay it a few more days just to make the point that the US intell isn't as good as they claim . Hes going to rub Bidens nose in it , in front of the whole world.

And We both know that ground assault will be preceded by a massive cruise missile strike and air campaign.

As much as I would not want to see this invasion and hear of all of the loss of life, I want to see how bad this all turns out for Biden, the Mutt and the rest of his team.

 

[fresch]

Not the U.S.A. so no big deal for the left.

 

[holdover]

Oh look , right after that intell report came out yesterday, Hes going to make Biden look like a fool again.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Russians are evacuating Rostov and Voronezh. Bracing for the British fartzkrieg

 

[holdover]

I heard they are still looking for the Border.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

For what it's worth...


I'm really concerned. I don't really give a shit who's right or wrong, Ukraine or Russia. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is I fear the US and therefore my family and I will become affected by this crisis.


Russia is going to go into Ukraine. I'm 95% confident it's going to happen.

The US and UK have publicly stated out response for when that happens what the west will do. The UK already stated they have some sort of trilateral agreement and since they are in NATO that essentially drags us into it. Biden has already backed himself into a corner talking about unprecedented sanctions and destroying the Nord Stream pipeline that's essentially an act of war itself.

So the way I see it, right, wrong, indifferent it doesn't matter, Russia will be invading Ukraine within the next 5 days. The UK or US will do something that will cause Russia to respond then we will get stuck in an "escalation loop" where each side keeps responding to the others actions with their own one upping action. And before we know it we're one fraction of an inch away from direct war with Russia. Add in stupid politicians and human error and who knows where this shitstorm in ends.


I'll never forget the quote..... "When all else fails they take us to war".

Bidens approval couldn't get lower, the debt is out of control to put it mildly, the economy is struggling, domestic unrest is rising by the day... Oh look over there at Russia they're the bad ones. Everyone look over there!


If we get into direct conflict with Russia Maybe not even all out war.l, remember this. We aren't fighting hajis on camels. Our infrastructure can be affected by hackers. Our own pipelines, utilities etc can go down. The next big war or conflict we in the homeland might not be protected by our oceans anymore. It's all fun and games when the shit show is overseas. When our own back yard is affected the fun goes away really fast.

 

[meketrefe]

Finland is not an official member of NATO.

You cut just one part of my sentence and missed the most important part. Finland is an enhanced opportunity partner and collaborates with NATO nations in many things. They have made clear that they will support NATO countries and will enforce same sanctions as they have dome in the past. By the same token nato will not stand by if russia sets foot in Finland or Sweden and a few other Eiropean nations even if they are not formally part of the NATO alliance.

 

[GOPerfect]

You cut just one part of my sentence and missed the most important part. Finland is an enhanced opportunity partner and collaborates with NATO nations in many things. They have made clear that they will support NATO countries and will enforce same sanctions as they have dome in the past. By the same token nato will not stand by if russia sets foot in Finland or Sweden and a few other Eiropean nations even if they are not formally part of the NATO alliance.

Yeah, apparently, I missed a few posts all together in this thread. You had a longer one above the one I quoted and I must have skimmed right over it, or just missed it all together.

Apologies

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

You cut just one part of my sentence and missed the most important part. Finland is an enhanced opportunity partner and collaborates with NATO nations in many things. They have made clear that they will support NATO countries and will enforce same sanctions as they have dome in the past. By the same token nato will not stand by if russia sets foot in Finland or Sweden and a few other Eiropean nations even if they are not formally part of the NATO alliance.

Finland is nato's +1 to the wedding reception.

Not a direct member but a friend of NATO.

 

[ManualF150]

For what it's worth...


I'm really concerned. I don't really give a shit who's right or wrong, Ukraine or Russia. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is I fear the US and therefore my family and I will become affected by this crisis.


Russia is going to go into Ukraine. I'm 95% confident it's going to happen.

The US and UK have publicly stated out response for when that happens what the west will do. The UK already stated they have some sort of trilateral agreement and since they are in NATO that essentially drags us into it. Biden has already backed himself into a corner talking about unprecedented sanctions and destroying the Nord Stream pipeline that's essentially an act of war itself.

So the way I see it, right, wrong, indifferent it doesn't matter, Russia will be invading Ukraine within the next 5 days. The UK or US will do something that will cause Russia to respond then we will get stuck in an "escalation loop" where each side keeps responding to the others actions with their own one upping action. And before we know it we're one fraction of an inch away from direct war with Russia. Add in stupid politicians and human error and who knows where this shitstorm in ends.


I'll never forget the quote..... "When all else fails they take us to war".

Bidens approval couldn't get lower, the debt is out of control to put it mildly, the economy is struggling, domestic unrest is rising by the day... Oh look over there at Russia they're the bad ones. Everyone look over there!


If we get into direct conflict with Russia Maybe not even all out war.l, remember this. We aren't fighting hajis on camels. Our infrastructure can be affected by hackers. Our own pipelines, utilities etc can go down. The next big war or conflict we in the homeland might not be protected by our oceans anymore. It's all fun and games when the shit show is overseas. When our own back yard is affected the fun goes away really fast.

That's my concern too. I don't care who is right or wrong either.

I was sitting around the wood stove this evening, and decided to take some Google Maps tours of Ukraine. I keep thinking... gee, I wonder if this is what the US will turn into in a few years. Roads that have so many potholes that you lose some teeth... to no roads at all, just people making their own road or walking trails. Buildings that were once nice, now look like they should be condemned.

Nothing good comes from a country that has debt spiraling out of control, along with politicians that keep destroying the country.

Can it happen to the US?? You betcha! Would I want it to? Goodness sakes no. But when you have that little feeling in your gut saying it might actually happen, then you start believing it.

You look at many countries that were once prosperous and look at them now. To take it one step back, look at some of the cities and towns in the US. Look at Detroit, MI, Centralia, PA, etc.

 

[MothMan]

This fellow is a Dane married to a Russian woman living in the boonies of Russia. He is a skilled journeyman of many trades including hand cutting mortis and tenons of the sill plate for a dodecagon sided house. I follow no one. But do like to watch his videos. This is his explanation of what is going on in Ukraine.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

The UK already stated they have some sort of trilateral agreement and since they are in NATO that essentially drags us into it.

I cannot say for sure, but I don't think the NATO charter covers aggression or third party retaliation by a NATO member as a qualifier for other NATO members to honor their treaty obligation to join the fight. However, that really matters not. If the powers that be want a war, it is what they will get. Treaties don't matter and neither does the truth. The truth is usually the first casualty anyway.

As you stated the domestic, geopolitical and economic situation is such that a war seems to be the only direction things can go in. You are probably right, but I maintain that this whole thing and all the people who will die because of it are the direct cause of small, selfish interests. Hopefully, people have had enough of the elite and the propaganda machine that props them up and have had enough of history repeating itself and the truth makes it out alive on this one.

 

[meketrefe]

Bidens approval couldn't get lower, the debt is out of control .... Everyone look over there!

It's all fun and games when the shit show is overseas. When our own back yard is affected the fun goes away really fast.

My 2 cents...
Russia doesn't have to move a finger to destabilize the entire region. They can sit on their own back yard and just wait for Ukraines implosion.

Biden is unfit for office and he should be impeached.

Wars overseas are not fun or games. We already lost too many good men going to places we have no business going, to fight politically correct wars nobody can win.

Bring everyone home. We have our own problems. Impeach Brandon.

 

[Vapor]

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Mosinitis]

At some point Ukrainian people will figure out how they are being used and by who. Who are false friends and who are family.

 

[spat]

How funny would that be? Washington is so consumed with hyping up a fake invasion in Ukraine, they end up with a real one on the other side of the world.

I've said it before.

Russia and China are each waiting for the other guy to go first.

Once the first one grabs the headlines, it'll be like a smoke screen for whoever goes second. Sure, it'll get reported, but it won't have anywhere near the attention.

Sooner or later one of them is going to get tired of waiting. So far it looks like Putin's patience is wearing out faster than Xi, but who knows.

 

[holdover]

Not likely Russia will attack .The longer he doesnt, the more foolish Biden looks

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Not likely Russia will attack .The longer he doesnt, the more foolish Biden looks

IMO Russia isn't going to execute or delay their strategic ambitions over trying to embarrass Biden. They're going to do what they're going to do regardless.

However, if the opportunity presents itself to embarrass Biden the US, all while strategically benefiting Russia I absolutely think they would.

If Russia wants to "wait" it out a few days and pretend to discuss peace talks to appear reasonable while they are finishing up pre-attack troop deployment and making Biden look foolish I don't see why they wouldn't do that.

At the end of the day I don't think Russia much cares about what the US says or thinks.

 

[prambo]

Hes going to make Biden look like a fool again.

According to Zerohedge he already did...

Optimism Fades After Russia Says "No Concrete Plans" For Biden-Putin Summit | ZeroHedge

I figure Zerohedge isn't any worse a source than CNN, regardless of how many anonymous, fabricated "sources" CNN has.

The article below had an interesting premise for a faux war - getting Zhou Bia-Den a Nobel Prize - don't know if I buy that, but it's the way DemonRats roll...

Ron Klain Organizes a Stunning, Massive and Magnificent Biden-Putin Peace Summit Certain to Bring Nobel Peace Nomination - The Last Refuge