Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[GOPerfect]

I am far from an expert, but there is a whole lot of ignorance, by a lot of people in regards to Russia and their mindset.

It is a Nation unlike most others. Here, we are concerned about proper pronouns and transgenderism.

Russia mindset is quite different, gotta think way out of the box with them as a whole.

 

[holdover]

It's a lot closer than your analogy.

You act like Ukraine is part of Russia and not It's own soverign state that Russia has "illegally" invaded.

Any Russian troops in there are there illegally and are fair game for anyone who wants to target them. If Putin doesn't see it that way, that's his problem.

No. I thought you said there is no such thing as international law a minute ago. how is it illegal ?

 

[spat]

I think he just wants more land for russia. He laments the soviet union's demise. He's said this in the past and consistently.

I still can't wrap my head around his motives.

If he wanted to avoid NATO on his border, this is the worst way to accomplish it.

Every fence sitter in the area is surely drafting their NATO membership application as we speak.

This is the ultimate proof of why NATO membership would have been extremely valuable for Ukraine.

I can't think he needs the land, land is one thing Russia is not in short supply of.

Maybe he was worried Ukraine would start competing with him more for oil and gas sales to Europe ? Still seems pretty weak justification for such a risky move.

The whole thing just doesn't make sense. The whole endeavor is just a bucket full of ways for Russia to get screwed and nothing I can see as a major upside that was realistically possible.

There must be something more to all of this.

 

[spat]

No. I thought you said there is no such thing as international law a minute ago. how is it illegal ?

And I thought you said it mattered if it was ?

I put the quotes around illegally precisely because the concept is a joke.

 

[spat]

No difference, I guess. Why have rules, bylaws and guide lines at all.

To keep bureaucrats employed.

If you write all the laws, and you can change any of them anytime you want, then they're more like guidelines anyway.

 

[Phazer]

I still can't wrap my head around his motives.

If he wanted to avoid NATO on his border, this is the worst way to accomplish it.

But...he's already got NATO countries on his border - Estonia and Latvia.

NATO has not been making incursions into Russia from those countries.

 

[Steal2B]

But...he's already got NATO countries on his border - Estonia and Latvia.

NATO has not been making incursions into Russia from those countries.

It's about money and power. Russia sovereignty is not the issue.

 

[Phazer]

I still can't wrap my head around his motives.

There must be something more to all of this.

RESOURCES.

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? - Rebellion Research

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? Why does Putin want Ukraine? What is the value to Vladimir on invading his neighbor?

www.rebellionresearch.com

“Why does Ukraine matter?”

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores.

In addition, Ukraine sits at 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves.

Furthermore, 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves).

Ukraine is also the 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons).

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;

3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);

1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;

2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;

3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;

4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;

5th largest rye producer in the world;

5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);

8th place in the world in wheat exports;

9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;

16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;

2-е Europe’s and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);

3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;

3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);

10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
Moreover, the 3rd largest iron exporter in the world

4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;

8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;

4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;

In addition, sitting at 4th place in the world in clay exports

9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;

4th place in the world in titanium exports

 

[SomeSoldier]

I still can't wrap my head around his motives.

If he wanted to avoid NATO on his border, this is the worst way to accomplish it.

Every fence sitter in the area is surely drafting their NATO membership application as we speak.

This is the ultimate proof of why NATO membership would have been extremely valuable for Ukraine.

I can't think he needs the land, land is one thing Russia is not in short supply of.

Maybe he was worried Ukraine would start competing with him more for oil and gas sales to Europe ? Still seems pretty weak justification for such a risky move.

The whole thing just doesn't make sense. The whole endeavor is just a bucket full of ways for Russia to get screwed and nothing I can see as a major upside that was realistically possible.

There must be something more to all of this.

This has nothing to do with the publicly stated reasons. There is way more to this.

 

[GOPerfect]

But...he's already got NATO countries on his border - Estonia and Latvia.

NATO has not been making incursions into Russia from those countries.

Fact that many forget.

This is in fact, much larger than borders.

 

[GOPerfect]

RESOURCES.

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? - Rebellion Research

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? Why does Putin want Ukraine? What is the value to Vladimir on invading his neighbor?

www.rebellionresearch.com

“Why does Ukraine matter?”

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores.

In addition, Ukraine sits at 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves.

Furthermore, 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves).

Ukraine is also the 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons).

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;

3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);

1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;

2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;

3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;

4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;

5th largest rye producer in the world;

5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);

8th place in the world in wheat exports;

9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;

16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;

2-е Europe’s and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);

3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;

3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);

10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
Moreover, the 3rd largest iron exporter in the world

4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;

8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;

4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;

In addition, sitting at 4th place in the world in clay exports

9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;

4th place in the world in titanium exports

More facts that people are clueless of

 

[Steal2B]

RESOURCES.

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? - Rebellion Research

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? Why does Putin want Ukraine? What is the value to Vladimir on invading his neighbor?

www.rebellionresearch.com

“Why does Ukraine matter?”

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores.

In addition, Ukraine sits at 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves.

Furthermore, 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves).

Ukraine is also the 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons).

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;

3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);

1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;

2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;

3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;

4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;

5th largest rye producer in the world;

5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);

8th place in the world in wheat exports;

9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;

16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;

2-е Europe’s and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);

3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;

3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);

10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
Moreover, the 3rd largest iron exporter in the world

4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;

8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;

4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;

In addition, sitting at 4th place in the world in clay exports

9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;

4th place in the world in titanium exports

Nailed it.

 

[pjzwtl]

RESOURCES.

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? - Rebellion Research

Why Does Putin Want Ukraine? Why does Putin want Ukraine? What is the value to Vladimir on invading his neighbor?

www.rebellionresearch.com

“Why does Ukraine matter?”

1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores.

In addition, Ukraine sits at 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves.

Furthermore, 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves).

Ukraine is also the 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons).

3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)

4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;

2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;

7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an agricultural country:

1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;

3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);

1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;

2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;

3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;

4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;

5th largest rye producer in the world;

5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);

8th place in the world in wheat exports;

9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;

16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine is an industrialized country:

1st in Europe in ammonia production;

2-е Europe’s and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);

3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;

3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);

10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
Moreover, the 3rd largest iron exporter in the world

4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;

8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;

4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;

In addition, sitting at 4th place in the world in clay exports

9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;

4th place in the world in titanium exports

A very compelling list

 

[SomeSoldier]

Nailed it.

A very compelling list

If resources was the only reason, fuck boy Soros wouldn't be involved. The lefties wouldn't be involved. China wouldn't be sitting on its ass. I bet my left nut China is helping to fund this.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

I’d happily pay $6 gallon for gas if it hurt Russia. Would you? People buy 20 mpg trucks and cry about $4 gallon gas. How is Biden ever going to sell a country of greedy consumers on the idea that to hurt Russia they will have to sacrifice? Most Americans haven’t known real sacrifice in decades.

Point of order:

If you want to hurt russia, you pay $1 per gallon.

 

[pjzwtl]

 

[Steal2B]

If resources was the only reason, fuck boy Soros wouldn't be involved. The lefties wouldn't be involved. China wouldn't be sitting on its ass. I bet my left nut China is helping to fund this.

Your left nut is safe and secure.

 

[spat]

More facts that people are clueless of

Ukraine has a lot going for it for sure.

But what does Putin *want* with any of that ?

If Russia was starving for one of those resources, I could see it. But way cheaper and easier to just buy them.

This was a very expensive and very risky maneuver. It seems like Putin must have had his eye on a prize worth a lot more than "16th largest cheese exporter".

None of the stuff on that list would bring Russia back to superpower status, and it would take a prize of that magnitude to justify the risk he's taking.

Russia is already doing pretty well without Ukraine. It doesn't make sense to risk so much for so little when you're already doing alright.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Look at all the players back Ukraine, its the same players that wanted Trump out of office.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Ukraine has a lot going for it for sure.

But what does Putin *want* with any of that ?

If Russia was starving for one of those resources, I could see it. But way cheaper and easier to just buy them.

This was a very expensive and very risky maneuver. It seems like Putin must have had his eye on a prize worth a lot more than "16th largest cheese exporter".

None of the stuff on that list would bring Russia back to superpower status, and it would take a prize of that magnitude to justify the risk he's taking.

Russia is already doing pretty well without Ukraine. It doesn't make sense to risk so much for so little when you're already doing alright.

I think Putin is after the globalists.

 

[spat]

I think Putin is after the globalists.

Lets hope so.

That would be a prize worth risking all for.

 

[spat]

Not NATO, but getting there...

‘A Moment Of Truth For Europe’: European Parliament Greenlights Ukraine Bid To Join EU

The European Parliament voted on Tuesday to accept Ukraine’s application to join the European Union (EU) after Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky gave a passionate speech before the body.Zelensky formally signed an application to join the European Union on an expedited basis on Monday after...

www.dailywire.com

 

[SonOfSun]

I think Putin is after the globalists.

I think Putin is out for Putin.

 

[Steal2B]

Ukraine has a lot going for it for sure.

But what does Putin *want* with any of that ?

If Russia was starving for one of those resources, I could see it. But way cheaper and easier to just buy them.

This was a very expensive and very risky maneuver. It seems like Putin must have had his eye on a prize worth a lot more than "16th largest cheese exporter".

None of the stuff on that list would bring Russia back to superpower status, and it would take a prize of that magnitude to justify the risk he's taking.

Russia is already doing pretty well without Ukraine. It doesn't make sense to risk so much for so little when you're already doing alright.

Russia is almost a one trick pony whose economy depends on the energy sector. The westernization as well as any clean up of the Ukranian government puts their cash cow and his station in life at risk.

Even when the US dented world oil markets under Trump, Russia suffered.

 

[spat]

I think Putin is out for Putin.

Of course.

Lets just hope he sees the globalists as personal threats.

Would be really ironic for the Clintons to get taken out because they had dirt on someone else....

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Fact that many forget.

This is in fact, much larger than borders.

People also forget about the Russian kaliningrad enclave that directly borders Poland and the Baltics surrounded by NATO.

 

[spat]

Russia is almost a one trick pony whose economy depends on the energy sector. The westernization as well as any clean up of the Ukranian government puts their cash cow and his station in life at risk.

That could make sense.

If he thought Ukraine was going to undercut his exports to Europe.

But I don't see any evidence that was imminent. I think he's under a lot greater threat there from all the global warming cultists. I see European demand for fossil fuels dropping faster than Ukrainian production picking up.

 

[Steal2B]

That could make sense.

If he thought Ukraine was going to undercut his exports to Europe.

But I don't see any evidence that was imminent. I think he's under a lot greater threat there from all the global warming cultists. I see European demand for fossil fuels dropping faster than Ukrainian production picking up.

He was going to lose control of his pipeline arrangement through Ukraine

 

[Vapor]

Best thing said in this thread.

All should be thinking a bit long term.

Already weeks behind me if some of then are just starting...


Well, technically years, but I pushed rhe gas pedal down a littler harder in the last 2 weeks.

 

[spat]

He was going to lose control of his pipeline arrangement through Ukraine

Doesn't seem like a big enough threat.

Maybe someone else controls the pipeline, but it's still his gas and oil flowing through it, so he still gets the money.