Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I just saw that china troops may have entered into Ukraine today. That's huge if accurate.

Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia all seem to want a piece of the action too.

I'm getting very concerned that ww3 is becoming a more realistic outcome by the day.

 

[Mosinitis]

I just saw that china troops may have entered into Ukraine today. That's huge if accurate.

Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia all seem to want a piece of the action too.

I'm getting very concerned that ww3 is becoming a more realistic outcome by the day.

There were reports of Chinese military cargo planes landing in Russia.

 

[tirwin1]

Long twitter thread with details on how and why the russians are performing so poorly. Very interesting read.

 

[GOYABEAN]

If true swing towards Russia and drop a few well placed bombs over the head Honcho

A Ukrainian Bomber Makes A Surprise Appearance—Streaking Low Over The Front Line

The Ukrainian air force’s aging Su-24 bomber crews continue to defy the odds. Despite heavy losses early in the war, the air force’s single squadron of the swing-wing, two-seat bombers is flying missions in support of the Ukrainian army’s twin counteroffensives in the south and east.

www.forbes.com

 

[spat]

I just saw that china troops may have entered into Ukraine today. That's huge if accurate.

Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia all seem to want a piece of the action too.

I'm getting very concerned that ww3 is becoming a more realistic outcome by the day.

Why on earth would China want a piece of that debacle ?

Or anyone else for that matter.

What could they possibly hope to gain ?


I could see China *selling* stuff to Russia, they can gain cash that way with little downside. But actually putting troops on the ground ? Just why ?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Why on earth would China want a piece of that debacle ?

Or anyone else for that matter.

What could they possibly hope to gain ?


I could see China *selling* stuff to Russia, they can gain cash that way with little downside. But actually putting troops on the ground ? Just why ?

Because I think they have come to the conclusion they will be allies with Russia against the west in ww3.

They likely are going to try to use this as a real life battle lab to let their officers and troops gain real actual experience so they can learn lessons when they move on Taiwan in the next year or so.

There is rumors on the interwebs that Putin is about to declare full mobilization in perhaps the next 24 hours even.

Just my .02 cents how I see it, take it or leave it

 

[spat]

Because I think they have come to the conclusion they will be allies with Russia against the west in ww3.

They likely are going to try to use this as a real life battle lab to let their officers and troops gain real actual experience so they can learn lessons when they move on Taiwan in the next year or so.


Just my .02 cents how I see it, take it or leave it

You think they're looking at ww3 and want *Russia* as an ally ?

Is this going to be the wish.com version of the axis ?

Let's see, Russia, China, N Korea and Iran vs, what NATO, plus India, Japan, Isreal, and basically every other developed country on earth ? Who wants in on *that* alliance ?

Russia has one and only one thing to bring to the table in such a fight, lots of nukes, if they Eve work.

If Russia's nukes come into play, nobody wins, everybody dies.

There won't even be anyone left to rule over the ashes. Sure, people will survive, but all the governments are going down, and all the elite MFers would go down with them.

The survivors will be the people who can take care of themselves. If you're used to paying someone to cook and clean for you, you're fucked in a global nuclear war.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[tirwin1]

You think they're looking at ww3 and want *Russia* as an ally ?

Is this going to be the wish.com version of the axis ?

Let's see, Russia, China, N Korea and Iran vs, what NATO, plus India, Japan, Isreal, and basically every other developed country on earth ? Who wants in on *that* alliance ?

Russia has one and only one thing to bring to the table in such a fight, lots of nukes, if they Eve work.

If Russia's nukes come into play, nobody wins, everybody dies.

There won't even be anyone left to rule over the ashes. Sure, people will survive, but all the governments are going down, and all the elite MFers would go down with them.

The survivors will be the people who can take care of themselves. If you're used to paying someone to cook and clean for you, you're fucked in a global nuclear war.

I can see China taking advantage of Russia's weakness here. Selling arms, providing intelligence or other assistance. Unless xi and putin have decided to start ww3 all on their own I can't see them introducing troops to ukraine.

One of the takeaways from that long twitter thread was the disorganized mess of the russian ground forces. IIRC it was stated there was a professional paramilitary group essentially operating with impunity and 3 other groups of ground forces. No centralized control or strategy which is what led to the rapid retreat after the ukraines counterattacked. Why would china put ground forces in that type of a situation - who would be in command? I doubt the chinese would take orders from the russians and I doubt the russians would allow the chinese to do what they want unless they are truly desperate.

 

[livingston]

Why on earth would China want a piece of that debacle ?

Or anyone else for that matter.

What could they possibly hope to gain ?


I could see China *selling* stuff to Russia, they can gain cash that way with little downside. But actually putting troops on the ground ? Just why ?

China has not fought in a war for a long time .... If one could ship a division at least into a war zone and come away with battle hardened troops in preparation for a Taiwan invasion. Could be a game changer.

 

[GOPerfect]

JUST NOW: Vladimir Putin to impose martial law and mobilise all men of military age to fight. The permanent eradication of Ukraine is necessary for the peaceful future of Europe.

 

[livingston]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

https://twitter.com/NVEquinePatroit
https://twitter.com/NVEquinePatroit


JUST NOW: Vladimir Putin to impose martial law and mobilise all men of military age to fight. The permanent eradication of Ukraine is necessary for the peaceful future of Europe.

I was just mentioning these rumors earlier.

I think the Ukraine war is going to the next level. Russia will also likely change their strategy. As barbaric and incompetent as many view Russia, in all fairness they claimed they are conducting a "special military operation" and up until just last week they have more or less tried to avoid attacking critical infrastructure. I would suspect that's about to change.

I think Russia is far more likely now to begin bombing power plants, industry, bridges, roads, rail lines, critical infrastructure, maybe even administration assets and also at this point at least to me IMO if they are committing this much and upping their posture they are going to be willing to strike NATO assets that are directly supporting the Ukrainian military.

Hold on to your butts.

 

[tirwin1]

JUST NOW: Vladimir Putin to impose martial law and mobilise all men of military age to fight. The permanent eradication of Ukraine is necessary for the peaceful future of Europe.

A few questions:

How long would it take until these new troops are actually deployed? Assuming some sort of basic training and then specialized training for certain weapons systems (unless they are all just going to be cannon fodder).

Does russia have the resources to equip all these new soldiers?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

More sources to confirm any of this?

 

[tirwin1]

Then again, maybe not:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Latest update indicates Putin's speech was canceled after a 2 hour delay.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Then again, maybe not:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Latest update indicates Putin's speech was canceled after a 2 hour delay.

Well that's interesting. Not sure if that's good or bad

 

[GOPerfect]

A few questions:

How long would it take until these new troops are actually deployed? Assuming some sort of basic training and then specialized training for certain weapons systems (unless they are all just going to be cannon fodder).

Does russia have the resources to equip all these new soldiers?

Unsure of these questions and answers. I know a few Russians, in Russia Russians. They appear to have Putin's back on much of this. At least, many do.

I am not sure what their standards are or the amount of eguipment they have. They have the Numbers though and we can look back into history and see how they beat the Germans by sheer numbers. I wish him and his Countrymen the best of luck.

 

[Mosinitis]

It will happen. Obviously they will not telegraph exactly when, maybe even mislead or sustain another battlefield setback. RUSSIA WILL PREVAIL IN THE END.

 

[GOPerfect]

September 24th

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It will happen. Obviously they will not telegraph exactly when, maybe even mislead or sustain another battlefield setback. RUSSIA WILL PREVAIL IN THE END.

So do you think they will full scale "I'm serious this time" invade and take over all of Ukraine, or just annex the areas they have control over and move real military into those areas to keep them?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

September 24th

In reference to what that member of the German Parliment said?

 

[GOPerfect]

In reference to what that member of the German Parmliment said?

Part of it. Lots and lots of things are pointing to this date. I will not plug this thread up though with all of the pointers toward that date.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Part of it. Lots and lots of things are pointing to this date. I will not plug this thread up though with all of the pointers toward that date.

I'm a little confused as to what is going to/supposed to happen on that date though. End of the world? WW3? Or just a full scale military invasion by Russia?

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm a little confused as to what is going to/supposed to happen on that date though. End of the world? WW3? Or just a full scale military invasion by Russia?

I'll start a new thread.

 

[Mosinitis]

So do you think they will full scale "I'm serious this time" invade and take over all of Ukraine, or just annex the areas they have control over and move real military into those areas to keep them?

Ukrainian military will be defeated and current government will fall. Referendums will be held in different regions.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Ukrainian military will be defeated and current government will fall. Referendums will be held in different regions.

Do you think NATO will get directly involved?

 

[Mosinitis]

Do you think NATO will get directly involved?

NATO ran away from Ukraine even before Feb 24th, when Russia threatened to use "military technical" means against it. Specifics were never made public but were conveyed to Western leadership.

 

[holdover]

The Russians are forced to mobilize, or settle on a stale mate.

A few questions:

How long would it take until these new troops are actually deployed? Assuming some sort of basic training and then specialized training for certain weapons systems (unless they are all just going to be cannon fodder).

Does russia have the resources to equip all these new soldiers?

My understanding is that They will conscript all reserves and prior service, which is a lot . A new soldier is just 8 week basic training , heres a rifle , Like We did in Vietnam WW2. some go to school for various specialties.

 

[Mosinitis]

Russia to begin partial mobilization – Putin

Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced the mobilization of military reservists for ongoing campaign in Ukraine

www.rt.com