Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Steal2B]

I don't know what information they had, what information they were given and what information they used to make their decisions. I think they should see now it was wrong. Trump rolled out a red carpet in Ankorage and then stabbed them in the back by not honoring the agreement that was made there, denying it was an agreement.

Bullshit. Putin stabbed Trump in the back.

Trump for years balked at American support for Ukraine and Trump pledged to bring about an end to the war. After berating Zelenskyy in the Oval Office and cutting back military assistance to Kyiv, Putin even refused a pause the fighting.

In August 2025 in Anchorage Trump handed Putin's ego the long-sought recognition on the international stage (after years of Western efforts to make him a pariah over attacks on Ukraine and Putin's vicioud rackdown on dissent) and Trump forestalled threats of additional U.S. sanctions on the Russian economy.

In return Putin belittled Trumps deal making skills when Putin threw a hissey fit like a little bitch, cutting the meeting short and leaving.

Early in the tense meeting Trump and Rubio balked after Putin insisted any deal must permanently cement all Russia’s gains, forever block Kyiv’s bid to join the NATO military alliance, and pull a subservient Ukraine back into Moscow’s orbit. Putin then started screaming a lengthy historical lecture on Russia and Ukraine that consumed much of the tense three hour meeting, prompting Trump to raise his voice. It was then Putin called to cut short the meeting, insisted on cancelling the planned joint press conference, refused to take questions during his departure, cancelled Russian participation for the planned extended lunch and broader delegation meetings on shared economic interests. Cancelling the rest of the Agenda was the only changes from the meeting Trump and Putin agreed with.

A sour Putin and a sour Trump both uncerimoniouly boarded their aircraft ahead of schedule and left.

There were no fruitful agreements or promises. Nothing was changed by this meeting except Putin got his grand stage entrance he so longed for.

It's fair to say the only party to benefit from the August 2025 summit was Putin's selfish ego. Russia, Ukraine, the US, and even Trump's PR team gained nothing from the summit.

Trump leaves Alaska summit with Putin empty-handed after failing to reach a deal to end Ukraine war

President Donald Trump has failed to secure an agreement from Vladimir Putin to end Russia’s war in Ukraine, falling short in his most significant move yet to stop the bloodshed, even after rolling out the red carpet for the man who started it.

apnews.com

 

[Mosinitis]

They agreed on Donbas going to Russia.

 

[Steal2B]

They agreed on Donbas going to Russia.

 

[spat]

They agreed on Donbas going to Russia.

In exchange for what ?

Russia demanding something isn't an agreement.

And it's only a double cross if one side does their part and the other side doesn't.

So, what was the US supposed to get in exchange for Ukraine giving up the Donbass ?

And why would the US be in a position to give up Ukranian territory anyway ?

Maybe we should hold some talks with Ukraine and agree to give them Crimea in exchange for some oil and gas leases LOL.

 

[Mosinitis]

In exchange for what ?

Russia demanding something isn't an agreement.

And it's only a double cross if one side does their part and the other side doesn't.

So, what was the US supposed to get in exchange for Ukraine giving up the Donbass ?

And why would the US be in a position to give up Ukranian territory anyway ?

Maybe we should hold some talks with Ukraine and agree to give them Crimea in exchange for some oil and gas leases LOL.

It doesn't matter. Ukraine categorically refused no matter what and made it a none-starter. That being the case the pressure should have been on Ukraine. Trump continued arming Ukraine claiming it was Europeans and gave green light to Ukraine to escalate the attacks.

 

[spat]

It doesn't matter. Ukraine categorically refused no matter what and made it a none-starter. That being the case the pressure should have been on Ukraine. Trump continued arming Ukraine claiming it was Europeans and gave green light to Ukraine to escalate the attacks.

So, no agreement to anything then.

I don't understand how you guys keep thinking that "Russia demanded something" constitutes an agreement.

"we'll give up our nukes and you guys promise to defend us" is an agreement. We see who got double crossed by who there.

The long term answer for Ukraine at this point is simple. Russia has left them no options other than NATO membership, or become a nuclear power again.

If I was Zelensky, I would absolutely announce that they are withdrawing from the non-proliferation treaty and beginning development. If you don't want us to do that, then help us push the Russians back to their own borders.